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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDan W
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Not at all, Hal. That has more than one unit in it and should have slip case (at the moment box set). This is covered by the "first release rule"


I may have mis-read, but I thought someone was advocating that Slip Case was not to be used for TV Sets.

Content should not dictate in any way what case type should be selected, IMHO.

Usually I would agree with that, Hal. The problem is, according to Ken, content governs case type.
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I still say the solution to this is to simply add a tick box for 'Slip Case', and use the inner case for the case type.
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I still say the solution to this is to simply add a tick box for 'Slip Case', and use the inner case for the case type.

I'm absolutely fine with the way Ken decided to go, but if anything else was to be implemented, this I could certainly go for...
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TV Series, which don't necessarily have child profiles, will therefore have the inner case type.


But because they CAN have child profiles, you have to follow the same criteria as any other box set, otherwise you haven't solved a bloody thing.

Once again: whether a set has child profiles attached, doesn't influence what packaging it comes in. This is something that everyone agrees on, despite our debates about other aspects of the "case type" field. I'll repeat myself: whether a profile has child profiles attachted to it or not, does not influence how it's packaged.

It's really very simple: a keepcase with one movie (no slipcover or anything like that, no children) is a keepcase, and a keepcase with two movies (again, no slipcover or anything, but with child profiles for both movies) is also a keepcase. Honestly: we're all clear on that - you're the only one who doesn't seem to be able to grasp this.

You want to use the "case type" field to indicate something other than packaging - you used to call two movies in a single keepcase a "box set". Well, you were wrong, as lots of people have told you. And with Ken changing the name to "slip case", you can no longer do this. Start another poll if you like - you'll find that there everyone is in agreement on this. It would help this debate if you wouldn't keep inserting these ridiculous statements into it...


Let's start of by you not telling me what I think.  And I don't give a damn what kind of case is used; if it contains two or more movies its a box set.  Period.  You don't get to change the defiinition at your whim.  As for your condescension, well, you know what you can do with that.
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Stargate SG-1 Seasons (the early releases with 5 keepcases in a slip case) are a prime example.

Surely we're not suggesting that the parent should be 'Keepcase'?



Absolutely not, and don't let Tim tell you I said otherwise, because he's full of it.  It's a slipcase with keeps for the discs.
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And I don't give a damn what kind of case is used; if it contains two or more movies its a box set.  Period.  You don't get to change the defiinition at your whim.  As for your condescension, well, you know what you can do with that.


But the field we are discussing is for the case type. Not to designate if it's a boxset (profile type) or not. Never was either.

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Not at all, Hal. That has more than one unit in it and should have slip case (at the moment box set). This is covered by the "first release rule"


I may have mis-read, but I thought someone was advocating that Slip Case was not to be used for TV Sets.

Content should not dictate in any way what case type should be selected, IMHO.


You didn't misread anything at all.  Some people ARE trying to say those outer boxes should be called digipacks, and you can find a lot of them already in the system set up that way for the master.  Totally wrong.  Should be a slip case with digipacks inside.
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You didn't misread anything at all.  Some people ARE trying to say those outer boxes should be called digipacks, and you can find a lot of them already in the system set up that way for the master.  Totally wrong.  Should be a slip case with digipacks inside.


Wrong!

Some people are saying if it's only ONE unit inside the slip case, we should go by the inner case. If there is more units inside the slip case, as in Hal's example, we should use slip case. That is what some people are saying

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And I don't give a damn what kind of case is used; if it contains two or more movies its a box set.  Period.  You don't get to change the defiinition at your whim.  As for your condescension, well, you know what you can do with that.


But the field we are discussing is for the case type. Not to designate if it's a boxset (profile type) or not. Never was either.


Yeah, I know we're talking about case type.  But since when does a cardboard outer box become a digipack?  You cannot do this in a vacuum.  Whether or not its a box set or a single title is going to influence the packaging to a greater or lesser degree.  If you completely ignore that then you'll end up calling a paper box a digipack, for example.

Also, a parent profile, whether or not you chose to add child profiles, can't be called a digipack either.

If you use a setup like Method 1 in the proposal I posted, you eliminate all the controversy, and nobody loses any information.  Certain people, however, seem to be so dead set on having things their way that they won't even consider it.  I hope you aren't one of them.
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If you use a setup like Method 1 in the proposal I posted, you eliminate all the controversy, and nobody loses any information.


I totally agree with that. Disagree with the rest of your post.

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You didn't misread anything at all.  Some people ARE trying to say those outer boxes should be called digipacks, and you can find a lot of them already in the system set up that way for the master.  Totally wrong.  Should be a slip case with digipacks inside.


Wrong!

Some people are saying if it's only ONE unit inside the slip case, we should go by the inner case. If there is more units inside the slip case, as in Hal's example, we should use slip case. That is what some people are saying



And just what do you call "one unit"?  I know some people on here think a season's worth of discs in a digipack is one unit.  They refuse to accept the fact that it is no different than a movie box set with 20 movies spread over 5 or 6 discs.  Those types of movie sets have to be profiled exactly the same as a TV season set.  A digipack is a container that holds ONE disc.  Put six of those together and you have a 6 disc digipack that is no different than a set of six keep cases.  Digipack is one of those words where both singular and plural are the same.  One unit is one disc, regardless of what type of mechanism is used to secure it in place.

Besides that, if you say a full season is just one unit, then how do you profile the parent?

Now, does somebody want to tell me again that determining whether or not its a boxset first isn't part of the problem? 
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If you use a setup like Method 1 in the proposal I posted, you eliminate all the controversy, and nobody loses any information.


I totally agree with that. Disagree with the rest of your post.


Then start pushing to adopt Method 1.
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You want to use the "case type" field to indicate something other than packaging - you used to call two movies in a single keepcase a "box set". Well, you were wrong, as lots of people have told you.

Let's start of by you not telling me what I think.  And I don't give a damn what kind of case is used; if it contains two or more movies its a box set.  Period.  You don't get to change the defiinition at your whim.  As for your condescension, well, you know what you can do with that.

No, indeed I cannot change the definition at my whim. Ken can do that, however, and he already did. Since the field will no longer be called "box set", you will no longer be able to set "box set" as case type for any set with two or more movies (as you've put it). You can call it "slip case" if you like, but that would be rather silly if we were talking about two discs in a single keepcase without any outer cover of any kind, wouldn't it? I'm really getting a bit tired of your pointless posts...
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And just what do you call "one unit"?  I know some people on here think a season's worth of discs in a digipack is one unit.  They refuse to accept the fact that it is no different than a movie box set with 20 movies spread over 5 or 6 discs.



Sent you a PM to try to explain

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And just what do you call "one unit"?  I know some people on here think a season's worth of discs in a digipack is one unit.  They refuse to accept the fact that it is no different than a movie box set with 20 movies spread over 5 or 6 discs.



Sent you a PM to try to explain


I replied to it in detail.
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You want to use the "case type" field to indicate something other than packaging - you used to call two movies in a single keepcase a "box set". Well, you were wrong, as lots of people have told you.

Let's start of by you not telling me what I think.  And I don't give a damn what kind of case is used; if it contains two or more movies its a box set.  Period.  You don't get to change the defiinition at your whim.  As for your condescension, well, you know what you can do with that.

No, indeed I cannot change the definition at my whim. Ken can do that, however, and he already did. Since the field will no longer be called "box set", you will no longer be able to set "box set" as case type for any set with two or more movies (as you've put it). You can call it "slip case" if you like, but that would be rather silly if we were talking about two discs in a single keepcase without any outer cover of any kind, wouldn't it? I'm really getting a bit tired of your pointless posts...


See, this is why I think you have it wrong and ya_shin has it right.  Since there is no longer a case type 'Box Set', when Ken used that phrase in his post it has to be referring to the profile type.  If all he was talking about was 'case type', there was no reason to mention 'box set' at all.
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