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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBerak
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Hello my dear friends...   

Quick question - and hopefully fast and easy answer;   

Does 'B-Roll footage' qualify as Outtake/Bloopers or do we add it under 'Other features'?

Thanks in advance.. 
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I would say that any raw unedited footage shot for the movie, that is accessible through the DVD menu, and is not in the movie can be classified as Outtakes/Bloopers.
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I would think it would be classified as Deleted Scenes, which the rules describe as "Deleted Scenes, Alternate Scenes, Alternate endings available through a separate menu option, and not incorporated into the main feature or a documentary."

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I would think it would be classified as Deleted Scenes, which the rules describe as "Deleted Scenes, Alternate Scenes, Alternate endings available through a separate menu option, and not incorporated into the main feature or a documentary."

-Agrare


I thought of this also, but it somehow doesn't seem right. The 'B-Roll Footage' is not deleted scenes as per se, but rather footage shot of the people shooting the actual shots going into the film, so deleted scenes seems wrong IMHO.
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hmm, in that case I guess it depends on how its presented. If its just random clips I would probably say other features, otherwise if its narrated or done in some way so it flows, it might fall into the category of a featurette. As that section is described in the rules as "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." which seems more fitting than a Outtakes/Bloopers

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hmm, in that case I guess it depends on how its presented. If its just random clips I would probably say other features, otherwise if its narrated or done in some way so it flows, it might fall into the category of a featurette. As that section is described in the rules as "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." which seems more fitting than a Outtakes/Bloopers

-Agrare


This turns out to be a 'not-so-easy answer' after all...     

The specific 'B-Roll footage' I'm asking for is presented only as random clips of the actual shooting of the movie - no narration, no explanations, no nothing - just lots of clips thrown together showing the people filming the movie.  I think I'll go for 'Other Features' with this one and see how it turns out.. 

Thanks alot for your input guys... 
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The B-roll does neither qualify as outtakes nor as deleted scenes. The B-roll is filmed with a second camera and is not intended to be included into the film. Typical B-roll material may be used for making ofs and other featurettes. Therefore the B-roll itself could qualify as featurette or as other feature.
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I would say in this case (with no narration or anything added) it sounds like "Other Features" to me.
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I also prefer adding this to the "other features" field.
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After seeing more clarification of what your "B-Roll" footages is I agree with everyone else that it should be under Other Features. B-Roll can also mean film footage for use in the movie, but not shot by the main camera. Sometimes scenes are shot with multiple cameras to increase coverage of a scene and each camera covering the scene is given a letter starting with A, generally meaning the master shot that all the other camera's footage will intercut with, down through the alphabet until all the cameras have a letter assigned. That's what I was thinking of with the OP question.
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After seeing more clarification of what your "B-Roll" footages is I agree with everyone else that it should be under Other Features. B-Roll can also mean film footage for use in the movie, but not shot by the main camera. Sometimes scenes are shot with multiple cameras to increase coverage of a scene and each camera covering the scene is given a letter starting with A, generally meaning the master shot that all the other camera's footage will intercut with, down through the alphabet until all the cameras have a letter assigned. That's what I was thinking of with the OP question.


Yeah, that's my understanding of what B-roll footage is too.  What the OP is describing goes in Other Features.  Actual B-roll footage would be Outtakes.
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After seeing more clarification of what your "B-Roll" footages is I agree with everyone else that it should be under Other Features. B-Roll can also mean film footage for use in the movie, but not shot by the main camera. Sometimes scenes are shot with multiple cameras to increase coverage of a scene and each camera covering the scene is given a letter starting with A, generally meaning the master shot that all the other camera's footage will intercut with, down through the alphabet until all the cameras have a letter assigned. That's what I was thinking of with the OP question.


This is what I always thought B-roll footage was as well, as I also know of the different cameras used for coverage on scenes to give the editor all he needs to cut a scene together. I guess it makes sense that this would qualify as outtakes, yet outtakes are usually comedic mess-ups when called "outtakes" on covers. Just makes it confusing with what some studios will call some features.

Now to call something B-roll and have it just be someone's home footage of behind the scenes is wrong, and should be noted as such. Mis-labeling like that should be noted.

Since the mention of it on covers of new dvds makes me wonder what I'll be getting, I think B-roll footage to always be in the other features box, with a note as what it really is. This would be a good way to answer that question without having to search the net for reviews of the dvd, then hoping they mention what it is rather than just list what the cover says like so many reviews do. That would be a great addition to the database as I could look it up, plug it in and know for sure right on my local.
Since it could be different things, and is commonly labeled differently, this makes sense to me as a new rule which can only help. Maybe even add a click box for it, with a sub-click for the actual content. That would clear it all up nicely.
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B-roll does indeed refer to supporting footage. Inserts, establishing shots, overheads... any kind of cutaway footage really. The ultra-strict definition has it only apply to documentaries, but people use it for fiction as well.

If there are DVDs out there where behind-the-scenes type footage has been labeled as "b-roll"... well, that's simply incorrect.

I'd suggest labeling such footage for what it is, rather than what it is incorrectly called on the DVD.

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An outtake is just a take that isn't used.  While a blooper can be an outtake, not all outtakes are bloopers.  There are plenty of examples of outtakes that are just a different approach to the dialogue or stage business, etc.
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