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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,685 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm rather surprised to see so many voting No to a contribution that adds "Widescreen" to a title with the motivation that this is not on the cover. The title in question is Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace [024543-023913]. The rules say: Quote: The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. While it's true that it's not displayed in any banner, it does say Widescreen on the back cover, and since there is a full screen version as well, surely adding "Widescreen" as edition is both warranted and within the rules? Or am I totally misinterpreting the rules? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I would vote No, it is NOT on the front Cover.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | but Skip... the rules do not say front cover.... it says take it from the dvd box... that can be anywhere on the box. | | | Pete |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 585 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules do not say it has to come from the front cover. What they do say is "If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box...". Therefore, if you are using one of the standard built-in Editions, it does not need to come from the box.
And since the rule also says the Edition field should be used to distinguish between DVDs and a Full Screen version of this movie does exist, then I think it's warranted to add the Edition.
So, if I saw this one, I'd probably vote Yes.
I'm in total agreement about the opinion of sticking "Widescreen" on every movie because it's on the cover got a little out of hand, especially when it was the only version ever released. But I think in this case, since there are multiple versions of this movie it's warranted. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
While it's true that it's not displayed in any banner, it does say Widescreen on the back cover, and since there is a full screen version as well, surely adding "Widescreen" as edition is both warranted and within the rules? Or am I totally misinterpreting the rules? The only place, as far as I can tell, where it says "Widescreen" is in the "Features" section on the back, where it says "Anamorphic Widescreen (Aspect Ratio 2.35:1)". If we start going by that, then every DVD out there that identifies "Widescreen" anywhere on the back cover is going to be fair game, regardless of whether there's a "Full Screen" version or not. You will be opening pandora's box. This whole Widescreen/Fullscreen as an Edition is already out of hand. It is duplicative information that is already contained in the video section and should be banned from the Edition field IMHO. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | But as of right now it is not banned... and the rules do support it being there... so as of right now adding it is a correct contribution.
The rules say... It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
so... it is definitely supported. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: But as of right now it is not banned... and the rules do support it being there... so as of right now adding it is a correct contribution.
The rules say... It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
so... it is definitely supported. Not the way I interpret it. If it is not on the DVD cover as an Edition, and this one is not, then it does not belong in the Edition field. In regard to what you quoted, I say it is NOT "appropriate" because it is not on the cover as an "Edition". | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: This whole Widescreen/Fullscreen as an Edition is already out of hand. It is duplicative information that is already contained in the video section and should be banned from the Edition field IMHO. While it doesn't help this specific problem, this is certainly a suggestion I could get behind. Of course the big roadblock is that the Add by Title screen doesn't list the video format. But I'm sure Ken could do something about that if he chose to go this direction. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: This whole Widescreen/Fullscreen as an Edition is already out of hand. It is duplicative information that is already contained in the video section and should be banned from the Edition field IMHO. I couldn't agree more! I indeed hope that Ken bans these from the 'Edition' field one day. It's one of the very few areas where my local database differs from the online profiles: I still cannot bring myself to adding "Widescreen Collection" to hundreds and hundreds of Paramount DVD's (which in most cases are the ONLY available version on DVD, and quite rightly so, of course). It's completely redundant, just like those few users who keep adding "DTS" to the 'Edition' field of every single DVD that has a DTS-track on it - again cluttering up the 'Edition' field with duplicate data. I really hope this will get addressed at some point in the future. So, Ken, if you're reading this? Think about it... | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: This whole Widescreen/Fullscreen as an Edition is already out of hand. It is duplicative information that is already contained in the video section and should be banned from the Edition field IMHO.
While it doesn't help this specific problem, this is certainly a suggestion I could get behind. Of course the big roadblock is that the Add by Title screen doesn't list the video format. But I'm sure Ken could do something about that if he chose to go this direction. The simple fix would be to add a new column on that screen with just a single character in it; "W" or "F". I've suggested this before. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | I also want to say that if a title is released only in one format (there is no standard version on the open market ) such as the Region 1 20th Century Fox of Journey to the Center of the Earth, (1959)., It only states widescreen on the back in the gold foil,, (yet furthur down the rear image there is a disclaimer that '"this film has been modified from its original version it has been formatted to fit your screen" .. ) ............. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I would vote NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 347 |
| Posted: | | | | I too am a little confused by this rule.
I was doing some contributions a while back and was under the impression that if widescreen or full screen was NOT on the front cover it should not be put into the edition.
I got a lot of no votes when I took this away from the online database stating that it was on the back cover (which it was).
I really think this is something Ken has to make a call on and make us all aware of what is okay.
I personally do not know if a DVD comes in widescreen only. If that is the case and it is NOT on the front cover then I guess it would not matter since there was not a full screen released.
I guess the way I see it is if the edition (be it widescreen or full screen) shows up anywhere on the cover (and I am not speaking of down in the features) ... like DATE MOVIE, DYING YOUNG, ET, FAST FOOD NATION ... to name a few that widescreen only shows up in a banner on the back ... then it should be included in the edition ... even if it only came in that format.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Boy, what would solve this whole thing is if we tracked aspect ratio information. Sorry, my pet peeve is the perversion of the edition field to track every stray piece of text that manages to make it's way onto the packaging. edit: Holy cow! I just noticed that this is something that both Hal and I agree on. That doesn't happen often. Another edit: Uh oh, and skip conditionally agrees as well! I think this might be one of the signs of the apocalypse. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with Vega and the Wolfman. While I don't like it, it is supported by the rules. Voting 'no' on these would be, IMHO, voting against the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I am still opposed to all the Widescreen Edition silliness, we have it elsewhere in the program. What's next take it fom the disc because you found it screen printed there. Why do you guys want to dig and invent problems, it confuses me, all to wherever and gone. <shakes head> and developing a tic.I keep feeling like there is an agenda to all this garbage but I can't quite put a finger on it. I can't wait for the day to come when somebody asks this same question because he found Widescreen in the fineprint at the bottom. Ooops Warner already does that, along with Standard version...should we use that too? Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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