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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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Sorry, but the TV Series rule says "Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series". It says nothing about how to label them.. it is left wide open.
If we're allowed to interpret the label direction as wide open, then "gold shiny disc 1" and "another disc similar to the first" are all valid descriptions. Surely we know that labeling a disc containing episodes means to list the episodes?  To me it means to "describe what's on the disc". | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | I don't want to put words into his mouth... but that is explaining how it reads...
Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. = the label contains the episodes on the disc
If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description = use bonus material for separate bonus discs only. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I don't want to put words into his mouth... but that is explaining how it reads...
Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. = the label contains the episodes on the disc
If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description = use bonus material for separate bonus discs only. Well that's all well and good, but it doesn't actually say that does it? I believe that would be called an interpretation. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | that is the way it reads to us obviously. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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I don't want to put words into his mouth... but that is explaining how it reads...
Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. = the label contains the episodes on the disc
If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description = use bonus material for separate bonus discs only.
Well that's all well and good, but it doesn't actually say that does it?
I believe that would be called an interpretation. bold by me... As would any other way of reading it would be. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, I am not interpreting. The Rule says "Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series".
There is nothing there that says not to include Special Features in that label. It just says to "Label each disc". | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can see there is no way either of us is going to convince the other... I still whole heartedly believe that it is clearly the way I am reading it... you are completely convinced of your way... but I am done with the back and forth of it all. I will contribute and vote as per the way I read the rules until ken either states or changes the way they are.
If it does get clarified by Ken I will be more then happy to vote and contribute per Ken's clarification. but I refuse to do any more back and forth on it. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Sorry, but the "standard rules" apply to films, and cover this situation, while the TV Series rules cover TV series and they are different and do not specify "one description".
Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. = Episode(s) #(-#)
If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description. = Bonus Materials (separate disc only)
I don't see anything that arrives at a combined description of Episode(s) #(-#)/Bonus Materials in that rule.
The complete Rule word for word is:
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Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.
Where did you get the "Episode(s) #(-#)" part from? I quoted the complete rule in green in two parts. I got the " Episode(s) #(-#)" part my understanding of how one should describe episodes. I guess that's common sense to me. True, it's not completely spelled out that way, but to me, labeling discs with episodes means to list the episodes. Also, to me, this logically follows from the way we do films (Main Feature). It's a consistent application. The second sentence ("If there is a separate disc...") shows what to do in the absence of episodes. I don't see how we're to include the exception ("use the standard "Bonus Materials") as part of the main rule ("Label each of the discs..."). Otherwise, why have the second sentence? Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Sorry, I am not interpreting. The Rule says "Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series".
There is nothing there that says not to include Special Features in that label. It just says to "Label each disc". "...containing episodes." | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
"...containing episodes." Agreed. The disc in question does contain episodes. It also contains Special Features. The Rule only says "Label it". It does not say label it as "Episode(s) # (-#). It also does not say not to include "& Special Features". | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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"...containing episodes."
Agreed. The disc in question does contain episodes. It also contains Special Features. The Rule only says "Label it". It does not say label it as "Episode(s) # (-#). It also does not say not to include "& Special Features". But if we go by what the rule doesn't say and we're allowed then to use the description field wide open, aren't we open then to descriptions like I made up earlier of "gold shiny disc 1" etc? I think we should allow ourselves to be restrained more than by what the rule doesn't say. Using the wide open concept, we could include episode titles there too. If the consensus is that the rule is currently wide open, I hope we can get a clarification to restrain it to some degree. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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"...containing episodes."
Agreed. The disc in question does contain episodes. It also contains Special Features. The Rule only says "Label it". It does not say label it as "Episode(s) # (-#). It also does not say not to include "& Special Features".
But if we go by what the rule doesn't say and we're allowed then to use the description field wide open, aren't we open then to descriptions like I made up earlier of "gold shiny disc 1" etc? I think we should allow ourselves to be restrained more than by what the rule doesn't say. Using the wide open concept, we could include episode titles there too. If the consensus is that the rule is currently wide open, I hope we can get a clarification to restrain it to some degree. I do not disagree with you that it needs to be "constrained", but as of right now it is not constrained, therefore, inclusion of "& Special Features" is not a violation of the Rules as has been suggested by some here, and definitely by the contribution notes of the contribution in question. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| | Posted: | | | | and there is still some of us that disagrees with you and believe it is against the rules. | | | | Pete |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
and there is still some of us that disagrees with you and believe it is against the rules. Well all I can say to that is that you are reading the Rules in such a way as to obtain the results you want and not what they actually say. The only Rule that is applicable to this field for TV Sets is the one listed for Disc IDs under the TV Series section of the Rules. Nowhere in that Rule does it state that you cannot enter "& Special Editions" as part of the description. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | I recently contributed Disc Ids and Descriptions for the HARSH REALM TV series and on the third disc I labeled it 'Episode 9 & Bonus Materials.' I got one NO vote citing the single descriptor rule, and all the rest were YES. The screeners approved it in the end, so I guess they didn't have a problem with it, even though the NO vote pointed it out. | | | | Chris |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
I recently contributed Disc Ids and Descriptions for the HARSH REALM TV series and on the third disc I labeled it 'Episode 9 & Bonus Materials.' I got one NO vote citing the single descriptor rule, and all the rest were YES. The screeners approved it in the end, so I guess they didn't have a problem with it, even though the NO vote pointed it out. That's interesting. As there was a NO vote pointing it out, but nevertheless the Screeners approved that profile with a disc labeled 'Episode 9 & Bonus Materials', I gather that wasn't just a slip. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | without notation from Ken or Gerri... that is just guessing. As we still see many things that slip through. I personally wouldn't take anything for granted.
I still see it as multiple descriptions are not mentioned in the tv section... and is in the standard section... so it does go back to the standard rules. But as I said... If clarified from Ken or Gerri I will whole heartedly follow it. | | | | Pete |
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