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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That's MY INTERPRETATION of what Ken says, Tim and I'l stick with it until the RULES are changed. But Ken himself said that the examples in that thread on Slip cases and slip covers with images are Quote:
All look correct. Thanks! Check out Quote:
THE LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN'S APOCALYPSE
This is a digipak with the slip cover checkbox ticked. and Quote:
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
This is a TV boxset. The case type will be digipak with the slip cover checkbox ticked. If used the child profiles have digipak as case type. Quote:
TWO definitions for one object are UNACCEPTABLE>
Skip Two definitions for one object are acceptable if the same object changes its name according to the contents. Quoting Unicus from that thread: Quote:
He is not ignoring the outer package completely. He is just using the contents to define what it is called. Have I wrapped my brain around his reasoning? No, but that is besides the point...at least for me. I don't need to understand why Ken made this decision.
Ken has decided that, for cardboard sleeves with at least one opening, when it contains one case it is to be called a Slip Cover. If it contains two or more cases it is to be called a Slip Case. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well if we are ignoring the Outer Case then we don't need slip case at all. Sorry, Enry Two definitons are never acceptable and only lead to confusion. This has been done here several times and the point has been proven. What this does on my part is that I follow strcit database design concepts locally and there is more and more data that I simply will not Contribute as we drift into this strange netherworld.
It is very simple for me and absolutely no skin off my nose, but it is a shame for the Community.
I am willing to entertain rational arguments relative to two definitions, other than because Ken says or because we WANT it. I have tried them before myself and demonstrated that they don't work, and only cause overall database weakness and data entry confusion. But....
I would be particularly interested in hearing Ken's rationale for using TWO definitions for the same object. Anytime we set up IF THEN in the Rules is a mess.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Goblins:
That is precisely what I am saying.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: June 8, 2007 |  Posts: 23 |
| | Posted: | | | | Is it so hard to admit that you are wrong? | | | mvh
Ken-Arild Kristiansen
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | When I am wrong, kak, absolutely not.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Deja Vu all over again...
Just as a point of reference, the first 8 seasons of Stargate had 5 keepcases each inside an outer slipCASE. All of the original issue Buffy seasons (and numerous other TV sets) had an outer CASE of exactly the same construction, yet the discs inside were held in fold-out digipacs. Now, it seems that some people STILL want to call a slip CASE a slip COVER based solely on the method of securing the discs inside.
Regardless of what Ken said, a slipCASE only has one opening, while a slipCOVER has two opposite each other (top/bottom or side/side), and the method of securing the discs is immaterial to that aspect of things.
This is exactly why I wanted, and lobbied vigorously for a case type of BOX SET that would have eliminated this argument altogether. I still think that is the best solution, and that I am right based on the very fact of this argument going on once again! | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | With the vote currently at 61 to 1, maybe we need pictures. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
With the vote currently at 61 to 1, maybe we need pictures. No, Doc, actually we don't. I could set up a test wherein the object is to pick out the correct name for each item. The catch is, it would be like a blind taste test. I don't think many here could pass it simply because we are using more than one definition for the same object based on an arbitrary assumption that a TV boxset is somehow different than a movie boxset. This is simply another one of those cases where personal preference has trumped simple logic and common sense, and been compounded by rules that are ambiguous at best. It is painfully obvious that even for those who desperately WANT to follow the rules, they can't because the rules don't make sense. If they did (and even if what they said to do was wrong), we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
we are using more than one definition for the same object based on an arbitrary assumption that a TV boxset is somehow different than a movie boxset. No, we don't. We have the same definition regardless of if it's a TV boxset or movie boxset. We look at the actual container. If there are more than one unit (case) inside a cardboard box, the cover type is slip case. If it's one unit (case) inside a some coardboard (regardless of where the opening is) it's the inner case type with the slip cover checked. It's a very simple consept and has nothing to do with what is on the discs. And to me, the rules makes perfect sense | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Edit: Double post | | |
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Regardless of what Ken said, a slipCASE only has one opening, while a slipCOVER has two opposite each other (top/bottom or side/side), and the method of securing the discs is immaterial to that aspect of things.
This is exactly why I wanted, and lobbied vigorously for a case type of BOX SET that would have eliminated this argument altogether. I still think that is the best solution, and that I am right based on the very fact of this argument going on once again! You are saying that you don't agree with Ken's rule. No problem, but that's not the topic of this thread. The topic is what Ken's rule actually says, and how case type should thus be contributed to the online database. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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we are using more than one definition for the same object based on an arbitrary assumption that a TV boxset is somehow different than a movie boxset.
No, we don't. We have the same definition regardless of if it's a TV boxset or movie boxset. We look at the actual container. If there are more than one unit (case) inside a cardboard box, the cover type is slip case. If it's one unit (case) inside a some coardboard (regardless of where the opening is) it's the inner case type with the slip cover checked. It's a very simple consept and has nothing to do with what is on the discs.
And to me, the rules makes perfect sense Are you actually going to sit there and tell me that there is a difference between the type of outer case for Stargate Season One and Buffy Season One simply because Buffy has a digipac inside instead of keepcases? That simply defies logic. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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Regardless of what Ken said, a slipCASE only has one opening, while a slipCOVER has two opposite each other (top/bottom or side/side), and the method of securing the discs is immaterial to that aspect of things.
This is exactly why I wanted, and lobbied vigorously for a case type of BOX SET that would have eliminated this argument altogether. I still think that is the best solution, and that I am right based on the very fact of this argument going on once again!
You are saying that you don't agree with Ken's rule. No problem, but that's not the topic of this thread.
The topic is what Ken's rule actually says, and how case type should thus be contributed to the online database. Because the rule is based on ambiguity and misinformation, you will NEVER be able to get an accurate rule in place. Its like building a house on sand. Sooner or later the foundation will be undermined and the house will cave in. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the Stargate set is several keep cases inside a cardboard box and the Buffy set is a digipak inside a cardboard box, then that's exactly what I'm sitting here saying. The first one should be profiled as slip case cover (keep cases for the children), the second one as a digipak with slip cover checked. (Digipak for the children) All this is according to Ken
Are you going to sit there and say that case type for those two sets are the same? That simply defies logic | | |
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Because the rule is based on ambiguity and misinformation... Where is the misinformation? | | |
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