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For Those Voting Yes On Tombstone Contribution |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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Why do people wote if they dont know?
Because if you had to check each and every item from the disc yourself, then there would be no or little point at all in the voting system. You might as well enter the correct details yourself.
As I see it, voting is a way to help the screeners in determining if the rules have been followed. A YES votes means "I have read the notes and checked the submission and I see nothing wrong". A NO vote means that you have seen something wrong, and you describe the problem. OK, what is the neutral vote for then? Generally speaking my votes are done as follows: "Yes", if one of the following apply: 1) I have verified the data 2) The data is basically the same but reformatted to match the rules. For example the same studio as we already have but removing the "Inc." part after the studio name. Yes, I know this one is a bit of a shortcut but at least a yes vote implies the data is improved. "No", if one of the following apply: 1) I have verified and found the data to be wrong 2) The notes indicate a wrong source or procedure followed Everything else is a neutral vote - after all, I don't know if it is any good or not. I would guess the screener has access to the submission history of the contributer, so no point in me voting based on how I see the "standings" of the user. If this means I am doing it wrong I can start hitting the "yes" button a lot, but I do not really agree that would help anyone. | | | Regards
Lars |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is another title which I may make public where a user is making Runtime corrections and removing other valid data based ON THE COVER. How many times must it be said, that the cover data is often wrong. Now in this particular case, my curiosity was aroused by the use of Cover data, a typical newbie mistake. So I opened my 2.4 and looked at the OLD notes and lo and behold there were the notes with everything taken from the disc and using PowerDVD and DVD Decrypter.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Because if you had to check each and every item from the disc yourself, then there would be no or little point at all in the voting system. You might as well enter the correct details yourself. That's the reason I vote neutral on most contributions (except cover scans). When I do get suspicious I may take out the DVD and check the data. Then I will vote yes or no depending on my research. For some contribuitions yes can be voted without looking at the DVD of course (correcting the capitalisation of the title, correcting the overview etc.) and some contributions can easily be voted with a no. I'm not saying everbody should do it this way, but it makes most sense to me. |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
Quoting oleops:
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What help is it to the screeners if the woters don't know other than what the contributor has written?
What help are the contributions of the thousands of users around the world if you don't trust them and check everything they upload against the proper sources? If you're actually doing that you don't need other peoples' contributions, as you're doing it all manually anyways.
I do NOT want to manually check all of my 1900+ profiles and gladly take the risk of sometimes getting faulty data provided by other users, be it because of honest mistakes or because of blatant disregard of the rules, because it saves me a lot of time. And normally, someone picks that profile up sometime doen the road and corrects mistakes found. That's the process that actually makes this program so great.
If, however, a user has given reason for mistrust, that's a different story and I addressed that earlier already.
EDIT: Typing too slow again  You can trust the contributers as mutch as you want, I do to... its not about that. If there is a profile I use a lot and want to be right, its better to check one more time. I only hope thet the unnumbered Yes woters for some contributions that are wrong didn't wote at all... Why wote yes if you actually havent cheched at all? to get credits from the contributor? | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
There is another title which I may make public (...) Is that some kind of threat? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
There is another title which I may make public where a user is making Runtime corrections and removing other valid data based ON THE COVER. How many times must it be said, that the cover data is often wrong. Now in this particular case, my curiosity was aroused by the use of Cover data, a typical newbie mistake. So I opened my 2.4 and looked at the OLD notes and lo and behold there were the notes with everything taken from the disc and using PowerDVD and DVD Decrypter.
Skip Just wote no with a reason. That's what the system is for. I hope we do not need to bring every single wrong submission to the forum? | | | Regards
Lars |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | lars:
I agree but unfortunately I see far too many occurrences when ther might be one or two valid No votes that are overruled because the screeners give more weight to the majority and then we have a corrupted Profile which has to be fixed...I don't have enough to do yet. I need to do this...NOT! I need these constant demeaning and insulting remarks from other users...NOT.
I have said before I don't consider myself smarter than anyone else, but sometimes I wonder. As I noted the user making the change to the data is citing the "cover and liner notes", the Rules warn about the inaccuracy of Cover data and to use the disc whenever possible. And users vote Yes...anyway. To me use of Cover data to modify a Profile is an automatic red flag, as it should be for everyone. So I was forced to go and check OLD notes to confirm my doubts and BINGO, I was not surprised. The user that Contributed the data was a newb making an error, a very common one. The same cannot be said of at least one voter, I wish it could.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
Why wote yes if you actually havent cheched at all? to get credits from the contributor? Surely not | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, I know it is frustrating when a valid no vote is ignored, but if the alternative is posting every single contribution accross all regions when someone think it should be withdrawn here on the forum, I'm not sure I would appriciate this more than getting a few wrong profiles though.  | | | Regards
Lars | | | | Last edited: by lmoelleb |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand Lars, but it is particularly annoying when it is a seasoned user who should know better and even worse when it is one of those who are constantly attacking me.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The user that Contributed the data was a newb making an error, a very common one. The same cannot be said of at least one voter, I wish it could. So, inform the newbie with a PM, inform the screeners with your no vote, and that's it. No reason to inform the other voters who make mistakes by not carefully inspecting every contribution. And there is definitely no reason to bring it to the forum. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thank you for YOUR opinion, Rho.
When you have walked in my shoes let me know.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mwkirchner: Quote:
This is how the back cover actually looked:
* Best Actor, Tender Mercies, 1983. <-- space after *, no () around date, period at end
** Best Director, Dances With Wolves, 1990. <-- space after **, no () around date, period at end
† Best Actress, American Beauty, 1999. <-- space after †, no () around date, period at end
This is what it looked like when contributed:
*Best Actor, 'Tender Mercies', (1983) <-- no space after *, () around date, no period
**Best Director, 'Dances With Wolves, (1990) <-- no space after **, ' missing after Wolves, () around date, no period
†Best Actress, 'American Beauty', (1999) <-- no space after †, () around date, no period
. what are you talking about? The crew/cast credits are taken from the DVD itself. Not the cover. So Its irrelevant what the cover says for the crew/cast credits. Are you talking about the overview? I don't have this dvd so I didn't see the contribution. | | | | Paul | | | | Last edited: by pauls42 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
Quoting Darxon:
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Quoting oleops:
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What help is it to the screeners if the woters don't know other than what the contributor has written?
What help are the contributions of the thousands of users around the world if you don't trust them and check everything they upload against the proper sources? If you're actually doing that you don't need other peoples' contributions, as you're doing it all manually anyways.
I do NOT want to manually check all of my 1900+ profiles and gladly take the risk of sometimes getting faulty data provided by other users, be it because of honest mistakes or because of blatant disregard of the rules, because it saves me a lot of time. And normally, someone picks that profile up sometime doen the road and corrects mistakes found. That's the process that actually makes this program so great.
If, however, a user has given reason for mistrust, that's a different story and I addressed that earlier already.
EDIT: Typing too slow again
You can trust the contributers as mutch as you want, I do to... its not about that.
If there is a profile I use a lot and want to be right, its better to check one more time.
I only hope thet the unnumbered Yes woters for some contributions that are wrong didn't wote at all...
Why wote yes if you actually havent cheched at all? to get credits from the contributor? You vote yes when you believe the change is accurate. If I had the time to check all the cast/crew chnages myself then I would update my own profile and then lock it and never check that profile again. The point is that we don't have all that spare time. So No, I am not able to check every small thing to see if it is what is there on the disc - I have to go by what is said on the contribution notes. For instance if someone says they have used dvd decryptor to check the run time then I assume the run time is accurate. By your standards it sounds like we all need to get the dvd, put it into the computer and run dvd decryptor and check for ourselves. do you in that case? | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
what are you talking about? The crew/cast credits are taken from the DVD itself. Not the cover. So Its irrelevant what the cover says for the crew/cast credits.
Are you talking about the overview?
I don't have this dvd so I didn't see the contribution. Paul, mwkirchner is talking about a different submission - simply giving an example of times when people vote yes without checking. In this case changes to an overview which could be checked simply by looking at the back cover. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
Quoting oleops:
By your standards it sounds like we all need to get the dvd, put it into the computer and run dvd decryptor and check for ourselves. do you in that case? No, vote neutral. | | | Regards
Lars |
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