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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | To add to the confusion  the locality makes it possible, when adding a title from Invelos to your program, to display 3 different options. In our case this would usually be French, Belgium or Dutch. Just FYI by the way | | | | Jean-Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sxilderik: Quote:
Thanks... all is much clearer !
Back to my "Entrapment" DVD... it's cover, overview, feature list, chapter list... everything exists in French AND Dutch, so this DVD is most probably sold in Belgium, France and Netherlands. Should really 3 profiles be created for the exact same packaging ? What about the rating logos? Are the French and Netherlands ratings available on the cover? If not, I would assume that it is a Belgium only release. |
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 |  Posts: 44 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rating logo. Yes, that's a good one (and also a point I skip altogether, rating. rant:{Same as price, who cares about price, this is not Alazongin... the vast majority of prices I see from the db are obviously false anyway.}) But I don't know the rating rule in my own country, or not for sure, nor do I know the actual logos. I stopped worrying about that since I turned 18  I should look for the official french logos (and belgish, and dutch and... pfff). But maybe, since this is a DVD encyclopedy, this info has already been collected and is available somewhere on Invelos ? | | | | Lernu la internacian lingvon |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 44 |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Sxilderik: Quote:
Thanks... all is much clearer !
Back to my "Entrapment" DVD... it's cover, overview, feature list, chapter list... everything exists in French AND Dutch, so this DVD is most probably sold in Belgium, France and Netherlands. Should really 3 profiles be created for the exact same packaging ? Dear Sxilderik, If the cover etc. is in French and Dutch, then the DVD is definitely sold in Belgium and quite likely in the Netherlands as well (there are quite a few "Benelux editions" out there). I strongly doubt it would be sold in France as well. You might check the ratings and see if both the category and the way the rating looks matches France. For DVDs, the Netherlands and Belgium are using the same rating system and the ratings look like this (top of the page). Most often, the black part is actually in red. You could also check the back cover - usually there is some reference to the distributor with perhaps a website (the extension .nl or .be could tell you where it's from). If I'm right, there could be two profiles (for the Belgium and Netherlands localities). However, as I recall some Belgian users tend to look for Dutch profiles, because there are more contributors in the Netherlands than in Belgium. Hope this helps! Cheers, DJ |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | @ Jean-Paul:
Regarding CoO: to be precise, this should be the country where the film's primary production company is based (NOT the distribution company of the DVD!). This can be tricky or even impossible to find out, especially in the case of international co-productions and/or music DVDs (for the latter, Locality can be difficult to establish as well).
What has been requested several times already is a change in the way DVDProfiler handles CoO's. I think a list of checkboxes like we already have in Subtitles would be ideal.
Cheers,
DJ | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
What about the rating logos? Are the French and Netherlands ratings available on the cover? If not, I would assume that it is a Belgium only release. While the French ratings are different, the Dutch and Belgian ones are identical (for DVDs, not for cinemas!). So your suggestion will help to distinguish France from Benelux, but it won't distinguish between Belgium and The Netherlands. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 44 |
| | Posted: | | | | All seem to agree that this release was the belgish one. But as I understand it, changing the locality to Belgium wont fix the mistake (the current locality is France), but simply create a new profile, this time for Belgium. That would leave a incorrect profile for France...
What advice can you give me on this matter? | | | | Lernu la internacian lingvon |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you're sure this DVD has never been available for sale in France then what you do is change the title to "SCREENERS PLEASE DELETE THIS PROFILE" and give your reasons why in the contribution notes. Include the fact that you've submitted the profile in it's correct locality.
If the screeners agree with your reasons, the profile will be removed from the database. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
@ Jean-Paul:
Regarding CoO: to be precise, this should be the country where the film's primary production company is based (NOT the distribution company of the DVD!). This can be tricky or even impossible to find out, especially in the case of international co-productions and/or music DVDs (for the latter, Locality can be difficult to establish as well). DJ, I haven't really bothered with the CoO. Reason is that I didn't know it for the title, I could obviously make a wild (but probably correct) guess, but that is best left for another moment. But thanks for the input. | | | | Jean-Paul |
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Sxilderik: Quote:
Locality... That's a new thing for me, which I just discovered (by having one of my submissions rejected for "bad locality", even though I never changed it - it was bad from the start)
... That doesn't make any sense. A field you did not change will NOT show up in the contribution, unless it's a new profile, in which case "bad from the start" is not really applicable | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? |
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah, music DVD's with concerts. That makes for some interesting CoO debates:
A dutch band (lets say After Forever) performs a concert in Germany. This concert is put on DVD.
So, while the DVD is actually recorded in Germany en lots of times its even produced in Germany (many dutch bands are signed with Nuclear Blast), the band comes from Holland.
What is the CoO for such a title? Germany or Netherlands?
I'm inclined to say Netherlands but that would mean the basis for my decision is the residence of the performers. For 'normal' movies that certainly is not the case. | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? | | | | Last edited: by RaymondG |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Ah, music DVD's with concerts. That makes for some interesting CoO debates:
A dutch band (lets say After Forever) performs a concert in Germany. This concert is put on DVD.
So, while the DVD is actually recorded in Germany en lots of times its even produced in Germany (many dutch bands are signed with Nuclear Blast), the band comes from Holland.
What is the CoO for such a title? Germany or Netherlands?
It is the CoO from the production company of the video. Nuclear Blast is a record company. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Giga. The primary company that produced the concert video should determine the CoO. Can be tough to work out in some cases though. |
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