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Voting yes for bad data
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantsmeehrrr
Registered: March 26, 2007
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I'm having a minor debate over PM with someone who is annoyed that I voted no on one of their submissions, which had a good deal of correct data in it but some minor errors.  So, here's the question for the peanut gallery: Is it better to vote yes if the majority of the submission is correct and hope that someone will fix the errors in a future submission, or better to vote no and not allow the incorrect data into the db in the first place?

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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorcmaeditor
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I would vote no and PM the contributor to let them know what they should correct. It's a simple thing to fix and resubmit, I've done it after another user pointed out an error in my submission.
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If we (knowingly) vote yes to incorrect data we might just as well throw away the voting system.
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I always vote no if I see any (no matter how little) data that is wrong or against the rules. And of course leave detailed reason for my no vote. The way I see it... my no vote is letting known that there is something wrong with the submission. and then it is up to the contributor to either fix the problem or let the submission ride as is... with my no vote. If they decide to let ride as it is... then that is fine too... then the way I see it... I did my job to the best of my ability... and it is then up to Ken and Gerri if the reason I provided is enough of a reason to decline the submission or let it go through.
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Entirely agreeing with Pete.
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There are some who think if you are going to do something to any field you should fix that entire field while there are others who think partially fixing one part of a field is acceptable. Example: adding '  '  to the overview but not fixing a spelling error. There was even a discussion on this where one camp felt if the submitter wasn't changing the bad data it was OK to leave alone.

I personally take it on a case by case basis. If someone is adding bad data to the db I will always vote no, even if a lot of the info is good. If they are adding good info while at the same time leaving bad info that's when I have more trouble deciding how to vote and many times vote neutral
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Entirely agreeing with Pete.

The problem with this is possibly losing a "full audit" because someone votes no due to a missing comma in an overview.  Not everyone can be bothered submitting again, and someone else has to do everything over again.  I mainly agree, but nitpicking has to end somewhere.
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Smee:

I think you know where I stand. Bad data is bad data is bad data, that simple. I don't care how little it is, IF it is an error then the user should FIX it. Sometimes we all get caught up in the Contribution from Hell, where somebody is always finding some small correection FOUR or FIVE times.<groan> I want as many Contributors as we can get, but I also want them to follow the Rules and be conscientious about what they are doing. If somebody spots an error, then fix it or withdraw it. The vote system is NOT a beauty contest it is about data and I don't care if the vote is 75-1, if that ONE vote has spotted a legitimate error that should be fixed...then fix it or that Contribution should be declined regardless of what the majority might think.

@Erik nitpicking ends when it is right. If you don't have the time to resubmit then why did you in the first place.

Skip
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Then again, the screeners will generally let through a submission that is "mostly good", even sometimes ignoring valid negative votes if they are for small things. Stay vigilant, says I, it really is pot luck after a certain point no matter what.
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Erik, you are of course right. I don't think I'd vote No on a missing comma (I rarely check Overview contributions that detailed); so, I guess I don't entirely agree with Pete, since he said "no matter how little" (should have read Pete post more clearly before agreeing ). I meant to agree more with the second part

In minor offenses, I'll vote yes with comment, if I care more, I'll vote No with comment.
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Smee:

I think you know where I stand. Bad data is bad data is bad data, that simple. I don't care how little it is, IF it is an error then the user should FIX it. Sometimes we all get caught up in the Contribution from Hell, where somebody is always finding some small correection FOUR or FIVE times.<groan> I want as many Contributors as we can get, but I also want them to follow the Rules and be conscientious about what they are doing. If somebody spots an error, then fix it or withdraw it. The vote system is NOT a beauty contest it is about data and I don't care if the vote is 75-1, if that ONE vote has spotted a legitimate error that should be fixed...then fix it or that Contribution should be declined regardless of what the majority might think.

@Erik nitpicking ends when it is right. If you don't have the time to resubmit then why did you in the first place.

Skip


I agree... the nitpicking ends when I don't see something that is wrong. If I spot something that is wrong... or against the rules I will vote no with detailed reason. I personally don't believe in voting yes with comment on something I spot that is wrong. that... to me is saying it is not right... but it is good enough. And that is something I really don't believe in.

I have been caught in several contributions from hell... having to resubmit 3...4... or even 5 times. but that is ok... because I want to do it right or not do it at all. So if I see a valid no vote in time to fix it... that is what I will personally do.

I personally don't think it is up to me if it is good enough... I think that decision belongs only to Ken and Gerri. That is why I said I will vote no with reason... and if they don't want to fix... let it ride.  As Nadja sais... I have seen minor valid no votes be ignored before by the screeners to get a good contribution through... so I don't believe for a moment that a single comma will stop a full audit from going through.  And when that happens.. I don't fret about it... I just take not so I can fix what they missed or did wrong later, myself.
Pete
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I agree with Pete and Skip.  Wrong is wrong.  If I see something wrong, it will get a 'no' vote.
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Let's play turnabout a bit. What does it say about YOU as user if you make a Contribution and somebody spots an error and you either don't want to fix it or won't because the votes are in your favor. The error is still there and SOMEBODY has to fix it.

Skip
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Quoting ya_shin:
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Erik, you are of course right. I don't think I'd vote No on a missing comma (I rarely check Overview contributions that detailed); so, I guess I don't entirely agree with Pete, since he said "no matter how little" (should have read Pete post more clearly before agreeing ). I meant to agree more with the second part

In minor offenses, I'll vote yes with comment, if I care more, I'll vote No with comment.

Well, this thread basically stems from just that, a missing comma (OK, a bit more at first, but in the end...)

Oops, think I just revealed the "mystery, supposedly annoyed" user.   I wasn't, by the way, just slightly... perturbed.

Anyhoo, since this really didn't have anything to do with more than overview scrutinizing, I shall bow out gracefully.  Semi-gracefully at least.

Quoting skipnet50:
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Let's play turnabout a bit. What does it say about YOU as user if you make a Contribution and somebody spots an error and you either don't want to fix it or won't because the votes are in your favor. The error is still there and SOMEBODY has to fix it.

Lastly; I fixed my errors, comma and all, just thought it was a bit of the ol' über-nitpicking when it went that far.  My opinion.  It's not like overviews are usually submitted perfectly on the first go, people are still updating them daily.  So, again, voting no for bad data - sure.  Do I personally have a 'limit' - yes.  See ya_shin's post.
Erik

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Quoting skipnet50:
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Let's play turnabout a bit. What does it say about YOU as user if you make a Contribution and somebody spots an error and you either don't want to fix it or won't because the votes are in your favor. The error is still there and SOMEBODY has to fix it.

Skip


Except you have done just that  The example I gave above was one of your submission where you left bad information in an overview. Even after it was pointed out as being incorrect (not just a comma missing - but wrong info as I recall) you refused to change it with the reason "you weren't under any obligation to fix everything".

Are you now saying you have changed your mind and would have changed the submission? Is this the new and improved mellow Skipnet50? (or am I about to get flamed  )
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Erik

I have no limit. I may call the profile a few mean, nasty and ugly names, but I will fix it until it's right. But you know that.

Skip
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Outta here

Billy Video
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