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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 72 |
| Posted: | | | | I love the middle name field...
I overworked the german Gilmore Girls Season 2. In Episode 5 there is an A.J. Noel in the credits. Without a space between A.J. He is a kid and i cant find his full name. In the database he is parsed as A./J./Noel in Gilmore Girls season 2 and in a movie called Frank McKlusky, C.I. In my opinion A.J. means A.... Junior and the correct parsing would be A.J./Noel. Like D.J. in Roseanne. I dont think that Junior should be a middle name. Or am I wrong? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I believe it should be A./J./Noel as it is very common here in the US to go buy first name and middle name initials... even your example from Roseanne is wrong... I watch that show ALOT... and know that it was even mentioned in an episode or two that his name D.J. Connor is short for David Jacob Connor.
Without proof that he is a Jr. I would parse it as first and middle.
Not to mention I personally never seen a Jr. handled the way so say in my life. | | | Pete |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 72 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: D.J. Connor is short for David Jacob Connor. Ich just checked google and you are correct. Curious, i could swear that they used Dan Junior in some german episodes... |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | That could be as simple as messing up the dubbing/subtitles because they didn't know any better... wouldn't be the first time I heard of that type of stuff getting mucked up. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 555 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree 100%, it should be parsed as A./J./Noel.
BTW, in general, I don't think one should differentiate between the credits (to use this example) A.J. Noel and A. J. Noel - there is a punctuation mark between the two initials, and that should be enough to show that these are 2 separate names. Whether there is a space between the initials or not I don't think is relevant, as this would be wholly dependent on the style of the actual movie credits for the particular title, and not how the actor/cast member writes his/her name. For a credit of A.J. Noel, using the common name/credited as function so that it shows as A. / J. / Noel [A.J. Noel] is IMO unnecessary, and will only lead to problems when using the credit lookup tool; I think this should be parsed as straight A. / J. / Noel. I mean, if there are no spaces used at all so that the credit is A.J.Noel, would it then be any point in entering this as A. / J. / Noel [A.J.Noel]? It's the same thing.
The situation is different when there is NO punctuation mark, e.g. AJ Noel vs. A J Noel. IMO, these two should be parsed differently, i.e. AJ / / Noel and A / J / Noel.
What do you guys think about this? | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | This is another area that is currently wide open for interpretation. Much like the whole debate on suffixes (comma vs. no comma), this is very much a "stylistic choice" on the part of those responsible for making the credits. As I see it, we have two options.
Either we are after an exact copy of the credits, in which case the difference between on-screen credits A.J. Noel and A. J. Noel must also be copied in DVD Profiler. The most-credited form becomes the "common name", and any other variants, no matter how tiny, should be entered in the "credited as" field. This is what we seem to have now, although I'm personally not happy with the the most-credited form becomes the "common name"-bit: I'd rather decide on one standard way of parsing to use in the "name" fields, and then use "credited as" for any variations. Just using the most-credited form will result in one actor being entered as A./B./C. while the next one may have to be entered as D.E.//F. Setting a standard to use in the "name" fields will at least make things consistent.
Or we set a few ground rules, and disregard any variations that are covered by said ground rules. Examples could be: "Always use a comma preceding a Jr./Sr. suffix." Or: "If a name starts with two initials, split them over the 'first name' and 'middle name' fields" (or something to that effect). Note that the same standards could be used in my first option as well, but then they'd only apply to what to enter in the "name" fields. But this second option follows Behemot's assumption that there's no need to differentiate between such variations because they're just based on the style of that particular set of movie credits, so there's not even a need to use "credited as" for these. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I believe it should be A./J./Noel as it is very common here in the US to go buy first name and middle name initials...
I believe you are right on that parsing. However, I personally think that the Middle Name field is not really useful and can cause confusion, as oftentimes there is no way to know for sure wheter the second initial or name is a "Middle Name" or part of double-barreled "First Name . A unique "Given Name" field would be much simpler, IMHO. | | | -- Enry |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | well... all we can go by is what we have. and make the best determination as possible. with the set-up we have now... I for one am for word counting as a startup place... and then if can document that isn't right... fix it from there.
If Ken was taken suggestions... I for one would suggest going back to 1 field for the whole name... then any parsing problems go away. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,685 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: If Ken was taken suggestions... I for one would suggest going back to 1 field for the whole name... then any parsing problems go away. Hear, hear! | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Slightly OT: An acquaintance of mine from many years back whose given name was J.B. It wasn't a nickname (like D.J. Connor in Roseanne, or the A.J. Noel of this thread's subject). It was just plain J.B. Even on his birth certificate.
I can only imagine what trouble he experienced going through life with people insisting that he give them his "real name" not his initials when J.B. WAS his "real name." I guess for our purposes, if he were in a movie, J. would be his first name and B. his middle name, though knowing him his argument would be that J.B. is his first name and he didn't have a middle one. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: Slightly OT: An acquaintance of mine from many years back whose given name was J.B. It wasn't a nickname (like D.J. Connor in Roseanne, or the A.J. Noel of this thread's subject). It was just plain J.B. Even on his birth certificate.
I can only imagine what trouble he experienced going through life with people insisting that he give them his "real name" not his initials when J.B. WAS his "real name." I guess for our purposes, if he were in a movie, J. would be his first name and B. his middle name, though knowing him his argument would be that J.B. is his first name and he didn't have a middle one. If this could be authoritatively documented, then it would be J.B.//XXXX | | | Hal |
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