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I'm sorry to read that you find my posting biased. I'm not the autor of the article in http://fr.wikipedia.org/ This thread is about Noel or Noël Burton. Francois has nothing lost here, that was another thread. Northbloke wrote:
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If the end credits say NOEL, then we have no way of telling if they mean Noel or Noël!

That article in a French Encyclopedia tells me differently.
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Quoting wintermute115:
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Well, except for Noël Coward, who is never "Noel"...


unlike Noel Edmunds who is always "Noel"
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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I'm sorry to read that you find my posting biased. I'm not the autor of the article



This article is not biaised, it is your conclusion. When you carefully read the article, it is obvious that NOEL may mean Noël. Of course, NOËL always means  Noël.
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I don't know if it was his intention, but Surfeur's post made me realise:
If the end credits say NOEL, then we have no way of telling if they mean Noel or Noël! 



Yes, that is why I was sweating... In fact, if he had been french (same problem than FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT which is undoubtly François Truffaut), it would have been Noël (first name given, at the origin, to people born on Christmas Day). But I don't know whether this name is used in other countries in an adapted form (Noel). BTW how Noel is exactly pronounced ? (Noël is "No-el").



François Truffaut is pretty easy to determine... First, he's French and the only way to write François is with the cedilla.

Noel/Noël Burton is another story... He's canadian and been acting in both French and English movies.  So both spelling seem to be acceptable for him. 

A few years ago, I have also met an english speaking guy from Newfoundland who was named Noel.
Noel is not a very common name in Canada, but yes, there's quite a few of them.

The only movie of him that I owned is Battlefield Earth and he's credited as "Noel Burton".  And for the record... in the same movie, Marie-Josée Croze is credited with the accented é.
So it's not a matter of forgetting the accents from the credits or using only capital letters.  He seems to be legitimately credited without the accented ë.
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I had a classmate back in Pittsburgh, PA, in the 50s who pronounced his name as one syllable rhymed with COAL or COLE.  I don't remember if he spelled it Noel or Noël though.
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(French)
Diacritiques utilisés en français
(...)
So this would mean:
NOEL = Noel
NOËL = Noël

No, the article tells you that you should use NOËL, if you want to capitalise Noël in good French typography. But it does not tell you that when you see NOEL that it always means Noel. You can't simply invert the logic.
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May I also point out that most of his movie credits are in English and not French.
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Assez rare en français, le tréma se rencontre dans les mots suivants :
boësse, boëte, canoë, foëne, maërl, moëre, Azraël, Gaël, Ismaël, Israël, Joël, Judicaël, Michaël, Nathanaël, Noël, Raphaël, Staël, Laëtitia. Les mots goëland et poëme de graphie archaïque peuvent exister dans le langage poétique ;
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The diaeresis mark has also been occasionally applied to English words of Latin origin (e.g., coöperate, reënact), as well as native English words (e.g., noöne), but this usage had become extremely rare by the 1940s. The New Yorker, The Economist, and MIT's Technology Review can be noted as some of the few publications that still spell coöperate with a diaeresis[citations needed]. Its use in English today, apart from words borrowed from other languages, is mostly limited to certain names, such as the surname Brontë and the given names Chloë and Zoë. It is relatively common in words that do not have an obvious divider at the diaeresis point (the diaeresis cannot be replaced by a preceding hyphen), such as naïve.
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I wouldn't mind which way he is credited as long as search function could work with either version.  My problem with using accent characters in names and titles is that it makes searches very difficult.  In a perfect world, search for Noel would return both Noël and Noel.  However in current version of the program, such search will only result in Noel. 
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I wouldn't mind which way he is credited as long as search function could work with either version.  My problem with using accent characters in names and titles is that it makes searches very difficult.  In a perfect world, search for Noel would return both Noël and Noel.  However in current version of the program, such search will only result in Noel. 


That would be very nice!
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Well, except for Noël Coward, who is never "Noel"...


unlike Noel Edmunds who is always "Noel"


This is just one more way in which Coward is superior to Edmunds.
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