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"What do you do when you discover On Screen rating from the one that appears on the box."


Personally I would follow the rules and use the box. Not sure what you would do.  If the box is an error I might add that to my notes for reference but I would do as Unicus says since the rules do not say to use the on screen rating. There are many things in the rules I don't like or agree with but they are what they are.

As far as R2 goes... I would let the people in R2 deal with their issues and not try to fix it for them... but that's just me.


Please keep in mind the online is only a starting place for everyone. You can't have something the way you want it. What a mess it would be if everyone wanted to do that. 

Something else - If the box is different and clearly wrong it should still be listed as the rating. Perhaps someday the distributor will correct the box and then my copy would be a collectors item. You must not know much about collectibles...
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"What do you do when you discover On Screen rating from the one that appears on the box

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Besides the fact that your sentence makes no sense at all (I'll just assume you meant "... discover the on screen rating differs from...) you're apparently ignoring the rule here which has a 100% clear answer on your question. It says "Use the rating shown on the dvd cover". That means no exceptions, especially not for a different on screen rating.
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Indeed, I forgot a word, hydrox.

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Apparently R2, from the sound of it suffers from something R1 doesn't, it sounds like they even rate the extra materials.


This is correct, everything on a disc must be rated unless the disc falls under the 'exempt' banner (usually education documentaries*) and, as of a few months ago, commentaries must also be rated.

It used to be up to the distributor to decide whether a commentary was suitable or whether it needed the certification board (BBFC) to check it... they risked a recall if they were wrong but there were a few high profile errors of judgement so now they all need to be checked... another reason low distribution titles may choose to drop commentaries

FWIW with regards to the 'what's on the cover' argument there was a case a while ago where the cover and disc label on a one disc in a 3-disc set declared it PG when it was a 12, and another in the same set a 12 when it was PG. Because the SET was correctly rated as 12 the BBFC weren't worried but when I asked on here whether to use the correct rating for the child discs or the one on the cover/disc label it was overwhelmingly thought to stick with the one on the cover.

If the rating appeared on screen that may be another discussion but in the UK the ratings are never (OK, someone will tell me there is one they know of now!) dispalyed on screen on DVDs, only when shown at the cinema.

* The official definition for exempt material is:

"...if is designed to inform, educate or instruct; is concerned with sport, religion or music; or is a video game.
However, if such a work depicts human sexual activity or gross violence to any significant extent it will need a BBFC classification"

Almost always anything that's been on TV will be classified, it tends to be works that are directly produced for video/DVD under the above banner that get exemptions... and again if a distributor declares a disc exempt and there are complaints they would probably have it withdrawn and be forced to pay for its classification.
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Fascinating, Voltaire. Thanks for the info.

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Wellet's see in you own inimitable style Unicus and Tim you both totally IGNORED a crucial point in order to to make total fools of yourselves.

"What do you do when you discover On Screen rating from the one that appears on the box." Not at all uncommon. Apparently R2, from the sound of it suffers from something R1 doesn't, it sounds like they even rate the extra materials. In R1 all I have ever seen is "Bonus Materials are not rated" or something similar.

Coingratulations, gents perhjaps one day you will actually read and answer an entire post instead of parsing it and dealing only with what you want to.

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I read the entire post.  What you just wrote has nothing to do with anything.  The rule does not say, "Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover...unless you can prove that it isn't the same as the rating on the screen."  As you so often point out to other people, you are making this far more complicated than it needs to be.  This rule is crystal clear and there is no room for any other interpretatinon...Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover.

I am sorry, but you are the one making a fool of yourself if you believe there is wiggle room here. 
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Apparently R2, from the sound of it suffers from something R1 doesn't, it sounds like they even rate the extra materials.


This is correct, everything on a disc must be rated unless the disc falls under the 'exempt' banner (usually education documentaries*) and, as of a few months ago, commentaries must also be rated.

(...)


As Voltaire was kind enough to point out, and I thank him for that, in R2 they rate the entire DVD set.  That rating is then placed on the cover.  Remember, this is DVD Profiler NOT Movie Profiler.  If our friends in R2 land, or any other land for that matter, determine that the DVD rating is going to be different than the movie rating, who are we to argue?  We simply follow the rule and enter the rating that is on the case.  Why does it have to be any harder than that? 
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in R2 they rate the entire DVD set

I think that should be "in R2UK"...
Region 2 covers a lot more than UK, you know, and not all countries do it the same way.
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Ummm ... I'm assuming that you all remember that ratings are part of the localization (or localisation ) component. R1 Canada profiles use Canadian ratings, which are similar but different to the R1 US ratings.  And the MPAA changing their rating doesn't mean that the CMPDA changes theirs.

And to be clear, the ratings that appear on the rear covers in Canadian profiles are specific to the DVD, not the film. See here:
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Motion picture ratings in Canada are mostly a provincial responsibility, and each province has its own legislation regarding exhibition and admission. For home video purposes, a single Canadian Home Video Rating System rating consisting of an average of the participating provincial ratings is displayed on retail packages, although various provinces may have rules on display and sale, especially for the R and A categories.
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"What do you do when you discover On Screen rating from the one that appears on the box

Skip


Besides the fact that your sentence makes no sense at all (I'll just assume you meant "... discover the on screen rating differs from...) you're apparently ignoring the rule here which has a 100% clear answer on your question. It says "Use the rating shown on the dvd cover". That means no exceptions, especially not for a different on screen rating.

Even with your editing, hydr0x, Skip's paragraph STILL makes no sense:

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"What do you do when you discover [the] on screen rating differs from the one that appears on the box."

There's more than just a word missing.  Unless I remember my English grammar incorrectly, the above is a question, "What do you do when..." not a statement.  And Skip didn't provide any answer to what one SHOULD do when...  The rest of his post is a series of statements about how R2 apparently differs from R1 and that "In R1 all I have ever seen is "Bonus Materials are not rated" or something similar."  I don't see anything in Skip's original statement which includes the crucial point which he claims Unicus and Tim ignored so they could make total fools of themselves. 

I must be a total fool, too, because I fail to see any crucial point in Skip's statement -- unless it's the fact that R2 may be rated differently than R1.  But what does that have to do with answering the question of whether to use the rating on the box or from the film contents?  The rule is clear -- take it from the box.
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Apparently R2, from the sound of it suffers from something R1 doesn't, it sounds like they even rate the extra materials.

Actually there is not one R2. That's why we have localities in profiler. Every European country has different laws about rating DVDs. And then R2 does cover more than Europe.
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Duh, that is brilliant Rho. Almost as brilliant as unicus.

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If our friends in R2 land, or any other land for that matter, determine that the DVD rating is going to be different than the movie rating, who are we to argue?

Famous example: over here the film Jaws is rated a PG, however the DVD release is a 12 because of some language in one of the making ofs.
That is also why us Brits never got the MTV easter egg videos on the extended editions of Fellowship of the Ring or Two Towers, because the ratings of those videos was higher than the distributor was willing to go (15s for both I think).
Please note I'm not mentioning these because I have a problem with the way we record ratings in Profiler, this is purely trivia. 
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Duh, that is brilliant Rho. Almost as brilliant as unicus.

Skip


O.k., you need to stop.  I have not insulted you...not once.  You are the one who was wrong here.  The rule is clear, which is what I have said, yet you continue.  Either show how I am wrong or knock it off. 
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in R2 they rate the entire DVD set

I think that should be "in R2UK"...
Region 2 covers a lot more than UK, you know, and not all countries do it the same way.


To be clear, Skip mentioned R2 and Voltaire said, "correct", so I just went with that.  My point still stands.  The rule makes no exception.  We use the rating on the DVD case...even if it differes from the rating of the film.
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So weird.. the rules are so clear as to what we should do. Problems, however, arise when new ratings are added which are not shown in DVD profiler. But that's an entirely different issue.
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