Enry:

I keep seeing people say things like Classic is not a genre, Television is not a Genre. Profiler says it is, so it is. I have never and will never express an opinion on this one way or the other. The Program has its set of Genre that was set up by Ken, if he wants to call my left foor a Genre he can do so, and i will figure out how to deal with it. It may not be a genre to YOU, but to Profiler it IS.

So it is written, so shall it be.

Skip

Enry:

That is the difference between me and thee. I accept what we have for a genre list and I won't argue over a Genre 's definiton. Whatever it is, is my definition, which may not be yours. Which is also why we wrote the Rule as we did. I think most of the time  (not always) enough agreement can determine whether something is blatantly wrong, for example Ben-Hur---Comedy....NOT. But many times multiple definitons are correct, you may not like the ones that were chosen...so what...unless its blatantly incorrect...then the Online has its Genre set and you can set your local as you want it to be...you are not required to follow Online. Some users like to list Television as #1 position, but Television is NOT a Genre (like Classic), so I put it in the #3 field ALWAYS and "actual" Genre take my other two slots.

I just don't understand why it's a discussion of what is, what isn't a Genre. I am not obliged, and neither are you to accept it. If you think movie A is a classic and there is room for it Online, fine then make it a Classic...the ONLY thing about relevant about Classic as a genre is that it can never be called blatantly incorrect...it is in the eye of the beholder, as opposed to Television which is a FACTUAL statement and either is or is not. I recognize the totally subjective nature of Genre and except in rare cases, I am not going to engage in any kind of discussion of it, not worth the ulcer or losing any sleep over, I HAVE TOTAL control over what I want Genre to be locally if I disagree with YOUR opinion and your opinion is not blatantly wrong.

That's all it seems to me to a totally silly discussion. But one I can have some fun with.

Skip

LOL, Terry. I would agree, like ST IV and many other movie it has comedic elements but that does not, to me, equate to comedy.

Skip

My take on genre is the list that we have is just fine as is. Do I agree with all of them, not necessarily, but that's irrelevant. I have complete control locally, that is all I need, I want to add a genre, I can do that through the Tags. We could chase our tails for a long time over genre, what to add, what to to not add, what is or is not, etc, ad infinitum. Do I think they should be personal, absolutely NOT, they are a valuable piece of information and a starting point.

When I see these kind of discussions I kee thinking that what is really at the core of the discussion is a desire for the Online to pre-pacakaged and acceptable to all users all of the time, which it is never going to be. I accept the Online for what it is, a starting point from which I build it as I WANT it to be. It makes it all so much easier. The Online is not going to a reference source because we all different ideas on what a reference source contains or does not. Look at some of the Online Dbs, that do not have a local component, the majority of them I have seen are near worthless. The local component and the user-built-database are the strengths of profiler as long as we all understand what it is and is not, but that the Online is not for referenece but to construct your local database to whatever reference standards you might have. Some of us may want exhaustive data on any and all Awards a film may have received, others may not want any, we have that flexibility.

Skip

For what it's worth - the 'classic' genre for me is worthless.     

As many of you have stated (as well as the rules), genres is a matter of interpretation, so having 'Classic' in there is totally useless for the online DB - it would be better served as a "local" issue.

What's classic for me, might be new age for someone else.... 

While I understand what you are saying and your sentiment, berak. It's been there for 8 years, it's not worthless at all, users instead of chasing their tails about it, need to recognize it and simply deal with it. The periodic discsussion serves no purpose, it's been there, it's still there, were I Ken I would leave it there, but if he decides to remove it that is his choice and i will deal with that, though I would be madder than a wet hen, because removing it would mean loss of data that would then have to be moved to tags, whichh involves a lot of work. Let's look at one he could do, which would involve a lot of work to achieve.

Let's say he decide to break up Suspense/Thriller into two separate genres. Together they convey a specific type of fulm or Tv series, separated they are totally different Suspense is not necessarily a Thriller and vice versa. He could not therefore simply change the listings...that means WE would have to do that manually and make the changes and re-contribute and process the updates, that is a LOT of work. Is it worth it...I don't think so.

Skip

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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:

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Quoting Berak:

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- the 'classic' genre for me is worthless.

For me too, just like Accesories and Special Interest.

That's you and YOUR prefernce, Martin. You are one of over 500,000, to make that a blanket comment is wrong, they may not be to everybody. For example, we don't have a genre which fits many the shows of the Discovery Channel, or whatever. For example, Planet Earth, could very nicely fit under Special Interest.Likewise some of us no doubt a variety of DVD-based tools for calibration of the TV, Audio and whatever, guess what... Accessory.For one who likes to think outside the box, that is surprisingly narrow-minded.

Skip

Neither one of them made a blanket statement.  Both used the phrase, "for me."  That makes it their preference.  I hope you simply misread their statements because, if you didn't, it makes it look as if you are looking for a fight.   

Quoting DanHughes:

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Genre - kind, category or sort, especially of literary or artistic work.*

Classic -    i.  of the highest class, especially in art or literature
              ii.    serving as a standard or model of its kind; definitive.
              iii.  of lasting interest or significance.*

*(Collins English dictionary)

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Wouldn't every film/TV show/etc. which is on DVD be considered "...of lasting interest or significance..."? If it carried no interest, why make and sell a DVD of it?