Quoting Behemot:

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Why you say that she may have added her credentials herself to the Spotlight index, I do not understand, since I've been in touch with them and they confirmed that all actors and actresses in fact personally choose how their names are alphabetized in the index...

After looking at all this, I'm convinced that you are right. We should take Caroline// Lee Johnson

Quoting skipnet50:

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I think at this point, Behemot. With what we have from her AGENT. The only possible way for it be any different will be direct from Ms. Johnson, herself, not some mysterious third party source that presents NOTHING to back up a one sentence assertion. Big deal...she's an editor....whoopeee I know editors that screw the pooch ALL the time.

We have very convincing data that provides an answer. It's not the answer that you wanted to see, Behemot. And now you are acting as though it is somehow personal...which confuses me...I don't understand why the big fuss.

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I fail to see how I'm "acting as though it is somehow personal"? I've tried explaining that her listing in the index is how she herself has chosen to be listed (as with the other actors/actresses in the index), something which was confirmed by someone at Spotlight (which is hardly a mysterious third party source, as I've tried explaining in my earlier posts). If people here in the forums do not accept this, then that's fine by me. I've said my piece and IMO provided the evidence to back it up. My intention was to help out with this problem, not to prove I was right. If someone had provided clear evidence to show that I was wrong, I would be the first to admit I was wrong. However, since I believe that the source I have provided is the most correct one, I cannot agree that it should be parsed as Caroline / Lee / Johnson. There's nothing personal about that - we are just in disagreement. I hereby end my part in this discussion, as I don't feel there is anything more to be gained by trying to prove my point. Please feel free to parse her name any way you feel like, I will not stop you 

BTW, someone could actually contact her agent and ask, if you want to be sure. If Lee Johnson, Caroline is correct parsing and the Spotlight index therefore can be trusted, then it would in fact be a brilliant source for parsing UK cast names.

We have definitive data from the Agent, Behemot, that indicates what the answer. You are the one that seems to be unhappy with it, so be my guest to contact them. I am happy with the research frpm the Agent versus. I don't consider the Spotlight response to be valid at all, too far removed from the source. I'll take solid 2nd hand data before third party any day of the week.

AS it stands right now, should I encounter aan attempt to change it C//LJ, I would vote NO on any such instance.

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Not at all, Unicus. If I accept you argument. Then we fall back to DATA ENTRY and it is not beyond comprehension to believe that either of the two sources could have erred in data entry.  We then have a draw, too confl;icting pieces of data either of which could be correct. Therefore C/L/J remains the correct entry without valid documentation to the contrary. Where would that come from? Probably the actress herself..

She had to fill out similar, in fact, probably far more detailed information for her agent than she did fro Spotlight.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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Not at all, Unicus. If I accept you argument. Then we fall back to DATA ENTRY and it is not beyond comprehension to believe that either of the two sources could have erred in data entry.  We then have a draw, too confl;icting pieces of data either of which could be correct. Therefore C/L/J remains the correct entry without valid documentation to the contrary. Where would that come from? Probably the actress herself..

When you signed up for the Invelos site, you entered certain data:

Alias

Tagline

Location

Occupation

Interests

Once you entered that information, how do you think it got on your profile page?  Do you honestly believe that Ken or Gerri entered that data by hand?  Of course not.  That data was added to your profile page via the forum software.

This 'feature' isn't unique to Invelos.  Every site that I belong to, that asks me how I want my name displayed, does the same thing.  Why would you assume Spotlight is any different?

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She had to fill out similar, in fact, probably far more detailed information for her agent than she did fro Spotlight.

Perhaps but, again, it comes down to how that information was added to the website.  From the look of it, it was done by hand by a webmaster.  Spotlight, on the other hand, seems to work the same way Invelos, Yahoo, MySpace, FaceBook, etc. do.  Meaning the data is transcribed automatically by the software.

We already have an employee from the site that confirmed the fact that the actor makes the decision.  What reason does she have to lie?  Let's be honest here, the only way we can discount her statement is to believe she lied.  Why would she do that? 

Absent an email directly from the actress, I have no reason to doubt the correctness of this website...but that's just me. 

I think we have more than enough information to support 'Caroline/ /Lee Johnson'.  I guess we will have to agree to disagree and let the people who actually own these titles decide.  I am not one of them so it doesn't really affect me one way or the other. 

Quoting surfeur51:

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And it seems that those yelling come from the same source that claim that the correct given name of a well known french director is Francois, though hundreds of sites say François (and none Francois). So...

You lost me with this last bit as it is comparing apples and oranges.  Parsing is not covered by the rules, so is open to interpretation.  Capitalization, on the other hand, is covered by the rules.  In addition, Ken made a clarification, here, that makes what hundreds of sites say moot.

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No, it is exactly the same thing. The problem is to know the real name of one person. The fact that there is an Invelos rule that "decides" that the real name of François Truffaut is Francois Truffaut will not change the view François Truffaut has about his own name.

You are correct, nothing we do here will change the actor's view as to what their real name is.  But that isn't what we are after here now is it?  What we are doing here is populating a database with specific data.  In the case of actors, the data we are after is the name in the credits.  No more, no less.

When it comes to capitalization, we have a rule...and now a clarification from Ken...that tells us how to enter a name that is credited in all caps.  Like it or not, and it is obvious you don't like it, we have to follow that rule if we want to contribute.

Name parsing, on the other hand, is not covered by any rule.  While some people have adopted a default position, it is not a rule.  Because of that, we can make an attempt to parse the name correctly.

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If people want to use wrong names, that's their problem, but I try for my local base to have correct ones.

Nobody has suggested that you should do anything else with your local database.  It is yours to do with as you please.  If, however, you want to contribute,you must follow the rules...whether you like them or not.  If you choose not to contribute, c'est la vie.