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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
North:
Somewhere along the way in one of the many discussions someone made that claim.
Skip Sorry Skip, the claim in the UK is that generally when a woman marries she drops her maiden name altogether - unlike in the US whereby she moves it to a middle name position. Steve Edit - typo | | | | Last edited: by snarbo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK, Steve, I'll buy that, but even that would be GENERALLY and that isn't ALWAYS. I would guess the decision is up to the woman, not society or some professional name parsers with way too much time on their hands.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | About the index of UK actors and actresses I mentioned on the previous page: I e-mailed the people at www.spotlight.com (e-mail address: info@spotlight.com ), and asked the following: Quote:
Regarding the index listing actors and actresses found here:
http://www.spotlight.com/books/index.pdf
Am I correct in assuming that it is the individual actors and actresses themselves who choose how their surnames are alphabetized and capitalized in this index?
For example, Caroline Lee Johnson is listed as "LEE JOHNSON, Caroline" instead of "JOHNSON, Caroline Lee", same as with "FORD DAVIES, Oliver" instead of "DAVIES, Oliver Ford"
and Frances de la Tour is listed as "de la TOUR, Frances" instead of "DE LA TOUR, Frances". I received the following answer today, from Kate Poynton at Spotlight: Quote:
You are correct in your assumption.
Best wishes Kate
Kate Poynton
Editor
Spotlight
7 Leicester Place
London WC2H 7RJ
e: kate.poynton@spotlight.com
w: www.spotlight.com Surely this must be enough evidence to say that the index at www.spotlight.com can be used as a source for correctly parsing actors/actresses' names? Which means that the correct parsing of Caroline Lee Johnson is indeed Caroline / / Lee Johnson |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Behemot:
She isn't caroline Lee Johnson, what is her expertise in this matter. We know that the woman is SINGLE, and Lee can just as easily a legitimate middle name as a family name. Your contacxt makes a very simple statement of fact with absolutely no creds to back her up. Based on her KNOWN marital status, wiuthout something far more concrete, C/L/J would be correct.
Her talent agency, who has far more credibility, since they interact with HER, lists her as Johnson.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
Surely this must be enough evidence [...] Why would you put your faith in a 3rd party source, while there is a 2nd party source available (her own agent), that lists her under the J's? Again, the minute Creative Artists Management moves her to the L's in the list, then I'm convinced. Maybe someone should contact them - when in doubt, they'll be able to check with Caroline Lee Johnson (the one and only 1st party source) herself. Edit: I see that Skip already beat me to it...  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
Surely this must be enough evidence to say that the index at www.spotlight.com can be used as a source for correctly parsing actors/actresses' names? Which means that the correct parsing of Caroline Lee Johnson is indeed Caroline / / Lee Johnson I refuse to believe we Profilers are the only people in the world who screw up parsing occasionally.  | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | @Skip, I know I posted those Links (the photo was the link, click on it). If they still doubt, they could ask it there, it is the only official contact we have with here. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Frankly, I cannot understand why this needs to be so difficult. I specifically asked an employee of Spotlight how the data in their index has been added, with regards to parsing and also capitalization. She confirmed that the actors and actresses themselves decide how their name is alphabetized. I got this information from a person who works at Spotlight, who should therefore be considered a primary source as to how the Spotlight index is built. It is the actors and actresses themselves who choose to join and be listed in the index, as seen here: https://www.spotlight.com/join/eligibility.asp?publication=1and more specifically here: https://www.spotlight.com/join/personal.asp?onlineApp=10545&key=6C512BEDwhere they enter their own name into a First Name field and a Surname field. Caroline Lee Johnson entered Caroline into the First Name field and Lee Johnson into the Surname field, since her name is listed as LEE JOHNSON, Caroline in the index. I thought this would be a positive discovery, something which would make it so much easier to parse UK cast names into DVD Profiler... | | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is not doing difficult we have 2 officail sources that seems to claim different: Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences Academy Foundation and Creative Artists ManagementAgainst Spotlight where she may have added her credentials self, but spotlight quoting: Quote:
CAROLINE LEE JOHNSON (Spotlight Actresses)
view contact details
Contact:
C A M
First Floor, 55-59 Shaftesbury Avenue, London W1D 6LD
Telephone: 020-7292 0600
Fax: 020-7734 3205
E-mail: TN@cam.co.uk
WWW: www.cam.co.uk | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
It is not doing difficult we have 2 officail sources that seems to claim different:
Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences Academy Foundation and
Creative Artists Management
Against Spotlight where she may have added her credentials self, but spotlight quoting:
Quote:
CAROLINE LEE JOHNSON (Spotlight Actresses)
view contact details
Contact:
C A M
First Floor, 55-59 Shaftesbury Avenue, London W1D 6LD
Telephone: 020-7292 0600
Fax: 020-7734 3205
E-mail: TN@cam.co.uk
WWW: www.cam.co.uk I'm not sure why you say that The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is an official source. It says at their website at www.oscars.org: Quote:
Every year, as part of the Academy Awards process, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences gathers credits for each film hoping to qualify for awards. These credits, compiled and verified by the film's producer or distributor, are the core of the Annual Index and of the IMPC database. More than likely the credits compiled by the producer/distributor do not specify how each and every actor likes to alphabetize their name. And as for www.cam.co.uk, the reason she is listed under "J" could easily be an error on the part of the webmaster who uploaded her profile onto the agency's website; I'm pretty sure she didn't do this herself. Why you say that she may have added her credentials herself to the Spotlight index, I do not understand, since I've been in touch with them and they confirmed that all actors and actresses in fact personally choose how their names are alphabetized in the index... | | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
I'm not sure why you say that The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is an official source. It says at their website at www.oscars.org: Quote:
Every year, as part of the Academy Awards process, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences gathers credits for each film hoping to qualify for awards. These credits, compiled and verified by the film's producer or distributor, are the core of the Annual Index and of the IMPC database. I've found the AMPAS site a pretty good (not perfect) site for As Credited information. Most of the time it is a literal transcription of the credit data. Assuming there wasn't a parsing error in the transcription. Quote:
More than likely the credits compiled by the producer/distributor do not specify how each and every actor likes to alphabetize their name.
And as for www.cam.co.uk, the reason she is listed under "J" could easily be an error on the part of the webmaster who uploaded her profile onto the agency's website; I'm pretty sure she didn't do this herself.
Why you say that she may have added her credentials herself to the Spotlight index, I do not understand, since I've been in touch with them and they confirmed that all actors and actresses in fact personally choose how their names are alphabetized in the index... The actors may have selected first/last but that doesn't mean they physically entered the data. Someone else did and they may have made an error. We have two pretty good sources, but they are in dispute. So unless someone comes up with a tax form or a phone book entry lets just make it C/L/J and move on. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Quoting Behemot:
Quote:
I'm not sure why you say that The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is an official source. It says at their website at www.oscars.org: Quote:
Every year, as part of the Academy Awards process, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences gathers credits for each film hoping to qualify for awards. These credits, compiled and verified by the film's producer or distributor, are the core of the Annual Index and of the IMPC database.
I've found the AMPAS site a pretty good (not perfect) site for As Credited information. Most of the time it is a literal transcription of the credit data. Assuming there wasn't a parsing error in the transcription. But surely a literal transcription of the credit data wouldn't say anything about how the name is parsed/alphabetized? In the credits, she would be listed as Caroline Lee Johnson, not Lee Johnson Caroline or Johnson Caroline Lee. |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
But surely a literal transcription of the credit data wouldn't say anything about how the name is parsed/alphabetized? In the credits, she would be listed as Caroline Lee Johnson, not Lee Johnson Caroline or Johnson Caroline Lee. All the characters seen on screen are generally transcribed as found, except that the names are organized, and therefore parsed: Last, First. Errors in judgment or understanding may mess up the parsing but if the names are laid out First Last it generally reflect the on screen credits. They are a pretty good source for As Credited info. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Behemot: Drop it, we have verification as Tim pointed out from people who are FAR closer to Ms. Johnson than some mysterious third party source that offered up absolutely no quals for her to make the statement that she did. If ANYBODY beyond her knows what her name SHOULD be it would be her agent. You are know simply trying to create a situation whicjh will erify your pre-conceived notion.
It is Caroline/Lee/Johnson that is from her agent, ENOUGH.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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