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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | All Chris does is confirm Lee-Johnson, that does NOT confirm //Lee Johnson as correct. If you recall when we discussed HBC, I found three seprate films over a span of time, two of which had her credited HB-C and the middle one had her as HBC, that was convincing evidence that H//BC would be correct as I doubt that the actress would ping pong her own name. But to claim LJ is the same as L-J with inadequate documentation is simply a GUESS. As noted many times it is not uncommon for women to simply make their OWN decision to move the maiden name to middle name status, sometimes even creating a double barrelled middle name.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, I say screw it. Pick whatever you like and implement it locally. The online is a hopeless mess that's actually getting worse with all this CLT/variant junk.
But that's just me. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, I say screw it. Pick whatever you like and implement it locally. The online is a hopeless mess that's actually getting worse with all this CLT/variant junk.
But that's just me. No, not only just you. The online database has less and less interest since rules ayatollahs advocate spelling mistakes, and blind application of texts on which they even cannot agree among themselves. In fact, I guess that nobody interested in accurate data uses online profiles as they are now. The online database remains just a source to begin the job, or for people who do not care what's in it. So, the fact that in it we have Caroline/Lee/Johnson or Caroline//Lee Johnson has striclty no real significance. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Simply not interested in your view of accurate data, which is NO accuracy at all. Your version of accuracy is based on imaginary friends and letters, NOT on any hard data that is actually present, its why you keep getting told to do whatever you wish locally. That is where your imagination can play whatever game you wish.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
... ayatollahs advocate ... looks like you're an ayatollahs advocate yourself, you can't even endure a decision Ken made. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I am sorry, but I am not willing to go with your 'guess'.
(...)
You can try to discredit my findings by calling them a 'guess', but that doesn't make them any less true. I didn't call it a guess, you did. You said, and I quote, "I'm also guessing that IMDb is the sole source responsible for spreading the "Caroline Lee-Johnson" name variant over the net." As I said, I am not willing to go with your 'guess'. Quote:
I certainly agree with Pete and Skip that the sources you've supplied probably all just use the IMDb-name. People tend to do that a lot - even filmmakers - and once again it seems that the DVD Profiler community is no exception. Chris' NY Times review is the first solid thing I've seen, but even that might just be IMDb talking. I'd have a much easier time believing it if she was also credited as such once in a while... I have given links that show 'Lee Johnson' as a double last name. You have done nothing to counter them. All you have done is claim it is possible that they are wrong because IMDb has that name as their 'common name'. Sorry, but the mere fact that IMDb has chosen that name doesn't make it wrong. I don't know what it is about IMDb, but it seems that every credit you don't like has to be bad IMDb data. Sorry, but I am not buying it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
as she is a British actor, who was appearing in "Chef!" what better place then to look at the 'BBC' shurely they must have it accurately:
from: Chef!
Whilst Henry and Caroline Lee Johnson provided a solid if tempestuous nucleus to the series
from: Joe's Palace
Caroline Lee Johnson is Joe's mum Unfortunately, that doesn't tell us whether it is 'Caroline/Lee/Johnson' or 'Caroline/ /Lee Johnson'. cmaeditor's link is further proof, at least to me, that 'Lee Johnson' is her last name. A prefix, such as 'Ms.', is placed in front of the entire name, 'Ms.Caroline Lee Johnson', or the last name, 'Ms. Lee Johnson'. I have never seen it used in front of a middle/last name combination...unless the person was know by their middle name instead of their first name...which doesn't seem the be the case here. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Unfortunately, that doesn't tell us whether it is 'Caroline/Lee/Johnson' or 'Caroline/ /Lee Johnson'. It already tells us it is not Lee-Johnson? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I have given links that show 'Lee Johnson' as a double last name. You have done nothing to counter them. Yes I did. I tried to show that she is never ever credited as such, or (very) maybe just once. I'm perfectly happy to apply outside information to our data, but I'd like it to be supported by a few credits. Quote:
I don't know what it is about IMDb, but it seems that every credit you don't like has to be bad IMDb data. Sorry, but I am not buying it. The problem is that correcting profiles goes fine as long as the end result matches IMDb. But as I have noticed time and time again, as soon as I'm trying to fix what I see as an error made by IMDb, I get people like you all over me. Sometimes people have the audacity to vote no commenting: "I prefer the IMDb-name"; at least you take the trouble to give it some air of legitimacy. But it's just as bad. Of course you're going to be able to dig up some links that repeat the IMDb-name: their data must be among the most widespread stuff there is to be found on the internet. That doesn't make you right, though. Again: I'd be happy to believe it, if only your claims were backed up by a few actual credits. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Giga: I can't find any biographical material on her, you said she was a British actress. Hmmm does that mean that Renee Zellwegger and Billy Bob Thornton are british actors because they have appeared in British productons.  I will acknowledge that she is likely British but that is ONLY based on her body of work and not on anything factual, it is supposition and quite possibly an accurate one. As to Unicus, at least four of the sites you listed do indeed draw data from IMDb. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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as she is a British actor, who was appearing in "Chef!" what better place then to look at the 'BBC' shurely they must have it accurately:
from: Chef!
Whilst Henry and Caroline Lee Johnson provided a solid if tempestuous nucleus to the series
from: Joe's Palace
Caroline Lee Johnson is Joe's mum
Unfortunately, that doesn't tell us whether it is 'Caroline/Lee/Johnson' or 'Caroline/ /Lee Johnson'. @ Giga Wizard: thanks, good stuff. @ Unicus69: indeed, it doesn't tell us anything about parsing, which is where we keep coming back to (you do realize you're using similar links to try to prove the opposite, right?). That brings us back to the conclusion we reached before you even entered this thread: we need a single name field to end this once and for all. Once again: you're trying to use various websites that use "Caroline Lee-Johnson" as evidence that her name should be parsed as Caroline//Lee Johnson. I'm not saying that the way she's credited dictates a certain way of parsing, I'm just using the fact that she's never ever credited with a hyphen to question the trustworthiness of the sites you're using to do so. Most of those sites you mention list verifyably incorrect credits, so I remain adamant that they're all just propagating the IMDb-name. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | another reason maybe: Why I avoid Romance by Caroline Lee JohnsonQuote:
Caroline Lee Johnson, Lenny Henry's wife in Chef, reveals this week why she hasn't got a man in her life seems at this point in time she is single: April 14, 1997 | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | even more proof: BBC Press Pack: Joe's Palace Quote:
Sally Dix - Caroline Lee Johnson BBC - Press Office - The Crouches past BBC comediesQuote:
Chef!
Comedy series starring Lenny Henry as Gareth Blackstock, a flamboyant top chef at one of Britain's smartest restaurants, Chateaux Anglais.
The show ran for three series over 1993, 1994 and 1996 on BBC ONE.
Directors – John Birkin, Dewi Humphreys
Producer – Charlie Hanson
Writers – Peter Tilbury, Geoffrey Dean, Paul Makin
Cast included:
Lenny Henry, Roger Griffiths and Caroline Lee Johnson. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: November 16, 2007 | | Posts: 80 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Last edited: by Bfd245 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
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