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Caroline Lee Johnson
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Single name field! 

Yes, that would certainly eliminate all parsing issues in one fell swoop, so once again: seconded!
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I do believe a single name field is the only thing that will solve all parsing problems.

then you still have the problem in what order you put them in that single name field:
123, 321, ... you know how many permutations you can have and thats only for a 3 part name
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It is simple... if there is only 1 field... you do it as it is credited in the end credits... like the rules tells you to do.
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As simple as it now: 1 in first part, 2 in second part, 3 in last part, unless shown otherwise.
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Unfortunately not everyone sees it that way... and to my knowledge it is something Ken and Gerri never commented on. So as I said it would eliminate all parsing problems...

- No more arguing what name goes where
- No more having to research and source any that you do know is wrong and want to fix

and so on...
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WHY???????? Again, some more and still. Arrrrrrggggggh

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I know Skip... and it will continue to happen as long as there is not something solved one way or the other from Invelos. I may not like that answer... but unless an answer (any answer) comes from Invelos we will have to continually go over the same situations such as this.

Now.. in my eyes... when it comes to parsing... the only answer that will fix any and all parsing problems is a single name field. That way you only have the one field... and you put what you see... no ifs.. no ands and no buts.
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Hello all,

In my collection are a number of DVDs featuring actress Caroline Lee Johnson.
The DVDs of Chef! where she is currently entered as Caroline//Lee//Johnson and one of the box sets of Waking the Dead where she is entered as Caroline//Lee Johnson.
I've looked in the credit tool and find that she is mostly entered in profiles in the first way (Caroline//Lee//Johnson), but I'm still wondering which way is correct (and how to prove it).
I would have thought myself that Lee is part of her surname as she is sometimes credited as Caroline//Lee-Johnson, but apparently many do not agree.

Any help would be appreciated.


This went a bit off topic, as these threads often do, so I will try and bring it back...

To answer this question properly, someone has to look at the credits for the 5 titles where she is entered as 'Caroline Lee-Johnson'.  If she is , in fact, credited that way then she has a double surname and all credits, without the hyphen, should be changed to 'Caroline/ /Lee Johnson'.

For what it's worth, TV.com has her listed as 'Caroline Lee-Johnson' and refers to her, in to articles, as 'Lee-Johnson'.
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For what it's worth, TV.com has her listed as 'Caroline Lee-Johnson' and refers to her, in to articles, as 'Lee-Johnson'.


That's good enough for me to accept that 'Lee' belongs in the last name field; hyphenated or not.
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This went a bit off topic, as these threads often do, so I will try and bring it back...

To answer this question properly, someone has to look at the credits for the 5 titles where she is entered as 'Caroline Lee-Johnson'.

And before the thread went off-topic, I already did that. I'll happily rephrase it all again, but I can't help but wondering if we're going to have to do everything five times now... Anyway, here are those five alledged "Caroline Lee Johnson" credits:

- 'The Defender' (2 copies): seeing as there as six copies of this under "Caroline Lee Johnson", it seems highly likely that these last two entries are actually incorrect IMDb-mined data. Note that the "credits block" on the cover does NOT use a hyphen.

- 'The Saint': I've personally verified that this is actually another "Caroline Lee Johnson" credit, which was pretty obvious without even checking, again judging from the large number of copies under the other name variant.

- 'The Knock': I don't own this, but both the front and the back cover refer to her as "Caroline Lee Johnson", again without the hyphen. Theoretically the credits could be different, but I highly doubt it.

- 'A Woman's Guide To Adultery': this is the one I'm not sure about, although the cast list in that profile looks suspiciously like the IMDb-page for that title, so it's very possible that this, too, is simply IMDb-mined data, while the actual credits might not show the hyphen at all.

As I concluded earlier, I seriously doubt there's even a single "Caroline Lee-Johnson" credit out there. If there is, it'll be that 'A Woman's Guide To Adultery', but I really don't expect it to. I'm also guessing that IMDb is the sole source responsible for spreading the "Caroline Lee-Johnson" name variant over the net - including TV.com. Parsing is another issue altogether: if there's any evidence that "Lee" is part of her last name, I'll happily parse accordingly, but if that belief is based on nothing but actual credits, I'm afraid I won't play, as I don't believe she has ever been credited as "Caroline Lee-Johnson" - quite the opposite, in fact.
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Seeing as how that much of TV.com is sourced from IMDb, I would like to see something more independent.

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I personally would prefer to see something somewhat more official myself. Especially considering... like imdb.. tv.com gets updated by the users... so without seeing their sources for the info I can't know to trust it.
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As I concluded earlier, I seriously doubt there's even a single "Caroline Lee-Johnson" credit out there. If there is, it'll be that 'A Woman's Guide To Adultery', but I really don't expect it to. I'm also guessing that IMDb is the sole source responsible for spreading the "Caroline Lee-Johnson" name variant over the net - including TV.com. Parsing is another issue altogether: if there's any evidence that "Lee" is part of her last name, I'll happily parse accordingly, but if that belief is based on nothing but actual credits, I'm afraid I won't play, as I don't believe she has ever been credited as "Caroline Lee-Johnson" - quite the opposite, in fact.


I am sorry, but I am not willing to go with your 'guess'.  You verified one credit out of five.  While that may be enough to convince you, it is not enough to convice me.  As for what is on the case, I have seen the case credits differ from the film credits many times...probably why they are not a valid source.

I have found the 'Caroline Lee-Johnson' variant on the following sites:

Movies Unlimited
Wikipedia
TV.com
LoveFilm (synopsis for Chef - Season 2 on DVD)
Twenga
Ciao
MovieTome

Is it possible all those sites got their information from IMDb?  I guess so, but it is also possible that 'Lee Johnson' is her last name.
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Without researching the links you have provided it most certainly is possible, Unicus. You would be amazed how many sites use them as a source, Highly likely, since Wiki is user built and edited, that their reference is not independent. You have to dig around in each site to determine what source they might be using. Don't forget that IMDb CLAIMS copyright on their data, so when you see, for example, John Williams (II), need I say more.    Sometimes they will link directly back to it. The ONLY time I am willing to accept data from IMDb is on those occasions when I have clicked on a link from an actor/crew member site and it leads straight to the IMDb, that I accept as an endorsement from that actor/crew member relative to the data involved.

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Here's a NY Times review of her in MacBeth and the reviewer refers to her as Ms. Lee-Johnson
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I am sorry, but I am not willing to go with your 'guess'.

Have you actually read my post? Do you seriously doubt that what I said about 'The Defender' (6 copies filed under "Caroline Lee Johnson", no hyphen in the credits block on the cover) and 'The Knock' (again, no hyphen on both the front and the back cover)? That's nothing more than a 'guess' to you? I'd call it an 'educated guess' to say the least...  Come on, the lack of absolute proof might lend your concerns a whiff of legitimacy, but you know as well as I do that it's more than likely that these entries are incorrect. I'd call what you're doing 'grasping at straws'. Again: as of yet there's possibly one "Caroline Lee-Johnson" credit out there, but probably zero. You can try to discredit my findings by calling them a 'guess', but that doesn't make them any less true.

I certainly agree with Pete and Skip that the sources you've supplied probably all just use the IMDb-name. People tend to do that a lot - even filmmakers - and once again it seems that the DVD Profiler community is no exception. Chris' NY Times review is the first solid thing I've seen, but even that might just be IMDb talking. I'd have a much easier time believing it if she was also credited as such once in a while...
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