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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | The story crew credit is not meant for the person who wrote the book. It is actually intended for the original story credits we see so often that go along with the screenplay. A screenplay based on an actual book still gets an "original material by" credit for the author of the book.
I'm starting to see this mistake creep in more and more often and I don't think folks are paying attention. It's a pain because it requires pulling the disk and checking that particular credit. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | This problem doesn't appear to be going away, in fact its getting worse. Now we have camera operators being added as cinematographers. It wouldn't be so obvious if there wasn't already a DP assigned to these profiles.
Battle of the Bulge [085391-108627] Meet Me in St. Louis: Two-Disc Special Edition [012569-508927] Mrs. Miniver [012569-519626] Election: Widescreen Collection [097363-340348] What Women Want: Widescreen Collection [097363-383840]
These are all way off and I'm led to believe there are plenty of others up for vote as well.
The intention here is not to single out any individual but to try to urge folks to look at these crew changes a little closer. One red light indicator would be the addition of completely new crew in old categories. Of course, not citing where these changes are coming from should make one cautious as well. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | You can add Original Screenplay to this as well.
This onscreen credit gets a "Screenwriter" credit in DVDP, in spite of the fact that the program still lists "written directly for the screen" as a description of the "Writer" credit when assigning crew. Ken removed the confusion about this from the "Notes" column of the Rules crew table, but he forgot to remove it in the program itself. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: The story crew credit is not meant for the person who wrote the book. It is actually intended for the original story credits we see so often that go along with the screenplay. A screenplay based on an actual book still gets an "original material by" credit for the author of the book. The rules as they are written today do not care about intent or meaning, they just care about the spelling of a role name. Therefore "story by" gets a credit if this role name is used in the film credits no matter if the story is published in a book or not. But I agree that the rules should be changed to define crew roles by function and not by label. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: The story crew credit is not meant for the person who wrote the book. It is actually intended for the original story credits we see so often that go along with the screenplay. A screenplay based on an actual book still gets an "original material by" credit for the author of the book. The rules as they are written today do not care about intent or meaning, they just care about the spelling of a role name. Therefore "story by" gets a credit if this role name is used in the film credits no matter if the story is published in a book or not. But I agree that the rules should be changed to define crew roles by function and not by label. Be that as it may, it still doesn't justify changing existing credits that currently read "based on the book by" to story credits. We're not asking people to have some extraordinary knowledge of literature here. The examples I've cited attempt to change just such credits that clearly attribute published works. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Be that as it may, it still doesn't justify changing existing credits that currently read "based on the book by" to story credits. Correct, "based on the book by" is not listed in the rules and may not be contributed without a rule change. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,852 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Correct, "based on the book by" is not listed in the rules and may not be contributed without a rule change. How do you figure that? The Rules allow "Original Material By" to be contributed, and nothing specific is listed in the "Credited As" column, so we must refer to the "Notes" for guidance, which would seem to allow for "based on the book by" to be credited as "Original Material by". --------------- | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Correct, "based on the book by" is not listed in the rules and may not be contributed without a rule change. How do you figure that? The Rules allow "Original Material By" to be contributed, and nothing specific is listed in the "Credited As" column, so we must refer to the "Notes" for guidance, which would seem to allow for "based on the book by" to be credited as "Original Material by".
--------------- No, the rules say: Quote: For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. The "Role" column is not empty and features the only role name allowed for "Original Material By". | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,852 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: No, the rules say:
Quote: For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. The "Role" column is not empty and features the only role name allowed for "Original Material By". Let me make sure I'm understanding you. If the movie credits say "Based on the book by John Doe" would you contribute "Original Material by John Doe", "Story by John Doe", or something other? I would contribute "Original Material by John Doe". --------------- |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Personally i think Based on brings a whole different meaning than simply Story By, but I may be splitting hairs. Based On a Book etc, would be OMB.
BTW Rho, my friend please get hold of yourself the OMB has NOT changed, it is still "Adapted from another medium." Books are another MEDIUM, a Play which is made into a film is another MEDIUM, etc.
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | If it says based on a book I would Have to go by OMB.
According to WGA, the "story by" credit is used when a story is written in anticipation of it being a movie. It is not an adaptation from a book. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Charlie:
Let me say this again, I don't care what the WGA says. We created Profiler's definitions FOR Profiler based on the screen data, not some external source. Not the WGA, the Director's Guild, The Academy or any one else.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | With all do respect, profiler's definitions are based upon screen data that is governed by the WGA. The WGA is what established the "story by" "screen story by" and every other writing credit that is on the screen.
So your statement may be correct in one aspect, but it is misleading in another.
The problem that I see in other forums, is how to adapt what is written on the screen, into a usable format for profiler. Apparently, there is one very heated discussion going on now (especially concerning OMB, OCB, and created by, which there is nothing in the "credited as" column yet)
Story by credit should be fairly easy, as it adapts pretty much to what is on the screen (I hope) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Charlie:
We don't use WGA, nor do wew CARE PERIOD. They mean NOTHING to Profiler. and are have NO relevance. Nor does The Academy.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: If the movie credits say "Based on the book by John Doe" would you contribute "Original Material by John Doe", "Story by John Doe", or something other? What I would like to contribute does not matter. The rules forbid to enter "Based on the book by John Doe" neither as "Original Material by John Doe" nor as "Story by John Doe". If the rules would allow functional equivalents though, I would enter him as "Original Material by John Doe". |
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