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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally I think the red arrow system on paper is sound. It basically is the same as a 'warn moderator' button on other forums in its function:
- pushing a red arrow calls a post to a moderator's attention
- said moderator takes a look a the post and if warranted, moderates.
- If a user or group of users try to abuse that system, the moderator notices this, doesn't edit the post that got the red arrows and instead might take action against those having pushed the red arrow
That's how it works on paper and is written in the TOS. This is also how most other fora work, except it's called a warn-button or 'report post' button or something similar. As far as moderation is concerned, and as long as it's applied correctly, I'm happy with such a system. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
Personally I think the red arrow system on paper is sound. It basically is the same as a 'warn moderator' button on other forums in its function:
- pushing a red arrow calls a post to a moderator's attention
- said moderator takes a look a the post and if warranted, moderates.
- If a user or group of users try to abuse that system, the moderator notices this, doesn't edit the post that got the red arrows and instead might take action against those having pushed the red arrow
That's how it works on paper and is written in the TOS. This is also how most other fora work, except it's called a warn-button or 'report post' button or something similar. As far as moderation is concerned, and as long as it's applied correctly, I'm happy with such a system.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 145 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Quoting Taro:
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Personally I think the red arrow system on paper is sound. It basically is the same as a 'warn moderator' button on other forums in its function:
- pushing a red arrow calls a post to a moderator's attention
- said moderator takes a look a the post and if warranted, moderates.
- If a user or group of users try to abuse that system, the moderator notices this, doesn't edit the post that got the red arrows and instead might take action against those having pushed the red arrow
That's how it works on paper and is written in the TOS. This is also how most other fora work, except it's called a warn-button or 'report post' button or something similar. As far as moderation is concerned, and as long as it's applied correctly, I'm happy with such a system.
This is how I understood it. These threads are dizzying. The headache they induced only abated when a song came into my head and forced its way into my signature. Good luck everybody, whatever side you're on. | | | | Last edited: by IronWaffle |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Maybe it's because I am a parser but, after thinking on it, this really bothers me. Let me change your analogy a bit as the two examples are unrelated..."You're a troublemaker" is editable, whereas "You're always causing trouble" is not. Does that really make any sense? Both are saying the exact same thing. That would be like telling someone, "You're always telling lies," and claiming that you didn't just call them a liar. It's a distinction without a difference. I agree, also, questioning people's motives seems to be the biggest source of trouble. We should be able to say "Your feature suggestion is a bad idea because it requires a lot of extra work for something that only benefits a few users," but not, "your features suggestions ias an attempt to force your preferences on the public database," even though they mean roughly the same thing. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Taro:
I won't disagree with you. But there is something wrong with the system here. There is clear evidence of disparity, which you have also pointed out. I have set there are multiple examples of double standards being applied, this being simply one of them. I can only speculate on where I believe the faults lie, but clearly there are some significant problems and these problems in some cases are being manipulated by some, and only serving to heighten the levels of anger and frustration in the Forums. I was a moderator for years for one of the largest Online services at the time and these kinds of issues were never seen by me, all I can say is that the evidence is clear. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ace:
So you want to be able to post what you like, while being able to control the reaction(speech) relative to it. 1984 anyone. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Ace:
So you want to be able to post what you like, while being able to control the reaction(speech) relative to it. 1984 anyone. I believe you have misread something in Ace's post. Ace said nothing like you are suggesting. He said: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Maybe it's because I am a parser but, after thinking on it, this really bothers me. Let me change your analogy a bit as the two examples are unrelated..."You're a troublemaker" is editable, whereas "You're always causing trouble" is not. Does that really make any sense? Both are saying the exact same thing. That would be like telling someone, "You're always telling lies," and claiming that you didn't just call them a liar. It's a distinction without a difference.
I agree, also, questioning people's motives seems to be the biggest source of trouble. We should be able to say "Your feature suggestion is a bad idea because it requires a lot of extra work for something that only benefits a few users," but not, "your features suggestions ias an attempt to force your preferences on the public database," even though they mean roughly the same thing. He gave two examples, both saying the same thing. One was done in a nice civil manner. The other was done in a way that is antagonistic. His point is the apparent motive behind the post (based on the words included in the post) has everything to do with whether it should be moderated or not. For the record I only replied for Ace since he has said he has Maurice blocked. BTW, to use this post as an example of what Ace is talking about: A) I believe you have misread something in Ace's post = civil way to point something out B) You obviously lack the comprehension skills required to understand = nasty way to basically say the same thing One should be moderated, the other should not. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800
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BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not sure what so funny about my post.  One of us clearly doesn't understand what Ace was saying.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's called simple human nature, Rick and how could I expect you to understand, you are simply following what is completely natural. Like mots here you need someone to blame, I say we are all GUILTY as hell, let's find a solution. I have suggested an answer and so has Kinky which i took him up on and so did a few others. But human nature still demands that someone be at fault and you as are many others very wrapped up in your hatred and you cannot be satisfied until that hatred is satiated.. This why there are few users who truly suggesting problems, while the rest scream "Off with his head".. It's not unlike the Gulf oil spill, it was an accident, do I hear a whole lot of people saying let's find a solution and then figure out how to make sure it doesn't happen again, no....but I do hear a lot of people looking to blame big bad BP...while ignoring the the federal government shares some culpabbility. I don't see many people actually trying to a part of the solution.. But again that's human nature. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
I'm not sure what so funny about my post.
One of us clearly doesn't understand what Ace was saying. For the record, I wasn't talking about your post. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800
BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander
BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii
Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting samuelrichardscott:
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So no response to my post or apology to Alien then?
Sam:
It is not your place for one thing. And for another No I will not apologize to someone such as Alien who has never done anything other that attack and insult me. Civil discourse is not part of his vocabulary. In other words, you know you did wrong and you won't apologise... the same thing you want people to do? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sam:
I don't remember the last time a user apologized to me. Let alone, Alien, who has thrown a multitude of insulting posts at me and never apologized for one. But as I noted, you have no case before the court, you are not the party that is involved and as such you have no standing. I appreciate what you are saying but...and I highly doubt that Alien would request an apology, notice I said request, because that would put him what, for him, would probably be a very uncomfortable position.
You have no business on this, all you are trying to do Sam is start a fire. You will probably be successful too. I am certainly not likely to offer an apology based on an uninvolved third party. I don't know at the moment how I would even receive a request from Alien at the moment, as he has made no request on his own to date. It is not for you to demand an apology when you are not the party involved, my friend. We have had several users comment on this type of topic, all noting that when third parties intervene it always raises the temperature.<shrugs> Let us recall that Alien adopted a very offensive Avatar, did he apologize to me, No, he did not. Did YOU intervene and suggest that he was out of line and should change his Avatar and aopologize...no, you did NOT. Selectivity yet again, Sam. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have no hatred but, for what it's worth, I saw Ace's post the same way Rick did. It's not what is said that is the problem, it is how it is said. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I don't remember the last time a user apologized to me. What's that got to do with the price of fish? Apologies aren't something you exchange, they're something you give. |
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