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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorawilbohk
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Please help to find out the common name for the Actoress Wendy Hoffman / Wendy Hoffmann. There are a lot of Loop Group and ADR credits in the CLT result...

Here the CLT results:
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"Wendy Hoffman" is credited in the following 36 titles (79 profiles)
"Wendy Hoffmann" is credited in the following 35 titles (288 profiles)


"Wendy Hoffman": 5 confirmed
A-Team Season 1 (confirmed by awilbohk)
Greedy (confirmed by T!M)
Hotel Transylvania (confirmed by huskersports)
Open Season 3 (confirmed by awilbohk)
ParaNorman (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)

"Wendy Hoffmann: 4 confirmed
Despicable Me (confirmed by awilbohk)
Open Season (confirmed by awilbohk)
Open Season 2 (confirmed by awilbohk)
Sideways (confirmed by T!M)

So again I came to the point ... I'm not sure how to handle them ... a concrete rule or statement by Ken is missing ...

Quoting Kluge:
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Loop group and ADR are crew not cast.


Quoting T!M:
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About whether they're crew or cast: I consider them cast, and as you can see in the CLT, I'm certainly not the only one: they're regularly entered into the database by many, many users, throughout all regions and localities. Also: I spoke to a few of these people, and they consider themselves actors. Voice actors, perhaps, but actors nonetheless. Last but not least, just looking at the few examples above, I just can't ignore credits like "ADR Cast" or "Voice Actors" - if the credits call them cast or actors, then who am I to claim they're not? And if I'm entering Ms. Hoffmann's credits when they're "ADR Cast", "Voice Actors" and "Additional Voices", then why would I suddenly ignore her when the credit is a bit less specific, but her job on the film was exactly the same? Either I track these voice actors, or we don't, but if we're going to track *some* of the labels they're credited with, I'm tracking *every* label they're credited with.


"Wendy Hoffman": 9 confirmed
Monster House as Background Voices > credited in the Crew section (confirmed by awilbohk)
Kronk’s New Groove as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)
Lilo & Stitch 2 as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)
Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)
Mulan 2 as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)
The Lion King ½ as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)
The Road to El Dorado as ADR Group (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
TinkerBell as Loop Group (confirmed by jmbox)
Turner & Hooch as ADR Voice Group (confirmed by T!M)

"Wendy Hoffmann: 9 confirmed
Bambi 2 as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)
Borat as Loop Group (confirmed by Kluge)
Brother Bear 2 as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)
Extract as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)
Knocked Up as ADR Voices (& ADR Casting) (confirmed by jmbox)
Meet the Fockers as ADR Voices (confirmed by T!M)
Paper Man as Loop Group (confirmed by T!M)
Smart People as ADR Cast (confirmed by T!M)
Tarzan 2 as Loop Group (confirmed by awilbohk)

Not credited 1 confirmed
Battle: Los Angeles (confirmed by jmbox & Kluge)

List of not confirmed (10) he is credited:
Bargirls
Buffalo Bill Season 1
Imps*
John Tucker must die
Joseph King of Dreams
Mork & Mindy Season 3
Murder, She Wrote Season 5
Superhero Movie
The Wind in the Willows
Voyagers!
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Knocked Up: ADR Voices (& ADR Casting) Wendy Hoffmann
Tinker Bell: Loop Group Wendy Hoffman

Not listed in my US copy of Battle: Los Angeles, but supposedly Loop Group in German/Swedish releases.
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Hotel Transylvania: Additional Voices - Wendy Hoffmann
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKluge
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Loop group and ADR are crew not cast.
Borat --> Wendy Hoffmann (loop group)
I don't see her in my italian blu ray Battle: Los Angeles (EAN 8013123040510)
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Greedy: Wendy Hoffman ("Additional Voices")
Meet the Fockers: Wendy Hoffmann ("ADR Voices")
Paper Man: Wendy Hoffmann ("Loop Group")
Sideways: Wendy Hoffmann ("Voice Actors")
Smart People: Wendy Hoffmann ("ADR Cast")
Turner & Hooch: Wendy Hoffman ("ADR Voice Group")

About whether they're crew or cast: I consider them cast, and as you can see in the CLT, I'm certainly not the only one: they're regularly entered into the database by many, many users, throughout all regions and localities. Also: I spoke to a few of these people, and they consider themselves actors. Voice actors, perhaps, but actors nonetheless. Last but not least, just looking at the few examples above, I just can't ignore credits like "ADR Cast" or "Voice Actors" - if the credits call them cast or actors, then who am I to claim they're not? And if I'm entering Ms. Hoffmann's credits when they're "ADR Cast", "Voice Actors" and "Additional Voices", then why would I suddenly ignore her when the credit is a bit less specific, but her job on the film was exactly the same? Either we track these voice actors, or we don't, but if we're going to track *some* of the labels they're credited with, I'm tracking *every* label they're credited with.
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The Road to El Dorado -> Wendy Hofman (ADR Group)
ParaNorman -> Wendy Hoffmann (Gucci Lady)
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Quoting awilbohk:
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So again I came to the point ... I'm not sure how to handle them ... a concrete rule or statement by Ken is missing ...


This statement was made long ago (March 2010), when Ken didn't "see a compelling reason to exclude non-specific voice credits".

Even though this statement was made mentioning "Additional Voices" too, I'm quite sure that Ken used the by far wider expression "non-specific voice credits" for a reason.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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I consider them valid, and I contribute them (Walla Group, ADR, Loop, Voices, additional voices) any voice only role.
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About whether they're crew or cast: I consider them cast, and as you can see in the CLT, I'm certainly not the only one: they're regularly entered into the database by many, many users, throughout all regions and localities. Also: I spoke to a few of these people, and they consider themselves actors. Voice actors, perhaps, but actors nonetheless. Last but not least, just looking at the few examples above, I just can't ignore credits like "ADR Cast" or "Voice Actors" - if the credits call them cast or actors, then who am I to claim they're not? And if I'm entering Ms. Hoffmann's credits when they're "ADR Cast", "Voice Actors" and "Additional Voices", then why would I suddenly ignore her when the credit is a bit less specific, but her job on the film was exactly the same? Either we track these voice actors, or we don't, but if we're going to track *some* of the labels they're credited with, I'm tracking *every* label they're credited with.


Voice actors and Additional Voices are not the same of ADR and loop group.
ADR (Automated Dialog Replacement), also referred to as "Looping" is the replacement of dialog in post-production of a film or video. This is done with the vast majority of feature sound tracks.
It's something like foley, and I see always them credited in crew (near the sound credits).
And about the "labels" we collect Production Sound Mixer, Sound Editors and Re-Recording Mixer, but the same people sometime are credited as Sound Effects Editors or Foley Mixer and we exlude these credits. In the same way a Voice actor can sometime be part of ADR groups.
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@Kluge: That sounds lovely, but if you'd just be able to *talk* to (someone like) Ms. Hoffmann, then she'd assure you that her contribution to these films was exactly the same, no matter the exact label that was slapped on it in the credits. As for saying that "Additional Voices" and "ADR Group" should be handled differently: how about Ms. Hoffmann's confirmed "ADR Cast" credit then? Surely you're not telling me that "ADR Group" shouldn't be included, while "ADR Cast" should be included? Sorry, but I just don't buy that. If "ADR Cast" is considered a valid cast entry, then I'll certainly treat "ADR Voice Group" or "ADR Group" the same way.
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@Kluge: That sounds lovely, but if you'd just be able to *talk* to (someone like) Ms. Hoffmann, then she'd assure you that her contribution to these films was exactly the same, no matter the exact label that was slapped on it in the credits. As for saying that "Additional Voices" and "ADR Group" should be handled differently: how about Ms. Hoffmann's confirmed "ADR Cast" credit then? Surely you're not telling me that "ADR Group" shouldn't be included, while "ADR Cast" should be included? Sorry, but I just don't buy that. If "ADR Cast" is considered a valid cast entry, then I'll certainly treat "ADR Voice Group" or "ADR Group" the same way.

You could say the same for sound mixers ad sound editors.
I'm sure the contribute of these people (ADR or loop group/cast) to the films is as important as for the others postproduction crew members, the point is that we don't list them in DVDprofiler standard roles (we could always do in custom roles).
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Please note that you are acting directly against Ken's clarification.

The phrase "non-specific voice credits", whether you like it or not, doesn't require that you consider the credited person to be "Cast" and /or Actor.

It completely suffices to be "Voice" and "Non-Specific" both is (as hopefully even you will agree) correct for ADR, Loop, Walla, etc.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Please note that you are acting directly against Ken's clarification.

The phrase "non-specific voice credits", whether you like it or not, doesn't require that you consider the credited person to be "Cast" and /or Actor.

It completely suffices to be "Voice" and "Non-Specific" both is (as hopefully even you will agree) correct for ADR, Loop, Walla, etc.


Not at all.
Quoting Ken Cole:
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On the latest topic, there is no exclusion for Additional Voices - if they're in the credits, they should be included. We include similar non-specific live-action credits, such as an actor credited as "Various roles".  We also include specific voice actors, so I don't see a compelling reason to exclude non-specific voice credits.


Additional Voices (normally credited with cast) are not ADR crew/cast or loop group (normally credited with sound crew), in the same way that sound editor is not sound effect editor and re-recording mixer is not foley mixer.
If you would track ADR and loop group people, yuo should put them in crew section using custom roles.
I' don't kown if it's clear that ADR stand for "Automated" or "Automatic" Dialog Replacement, and is a post production process: dialog that cannot be salvaged from production tracks must be re-recorded (like background chat, communications, buzz or whatelse). The same process that foley mixer do with noises (steps, wooshes, bumps ect.).
Additional Voices are actor dubbing characters, or someting people speaking on phone or radio, or something like this and almost always they are credited with the other cast or immediately after.
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Stop ignoring the second part part of the statement, here Ken clearly widens from "Additional Voices" only to "Non-specific Voice credits", which is by far wider.

In this case there's no need to interpret anything, simply keep with the words.
Non-Specific (means: No unique rolename): Yes
Voice: Yes

Enter it
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Stop ignoring the second part part of the statement, here Ken clearly widens from "Additional Voices" only to "Non-specific Voice credits", which is by far wider.

In this case there's no need to interpret anything, simply keep with the words.
Non-Specific (means: No unique rolename): Yes
Voice: Yes

Enter it


Lewis, I don't want be at war with anyone, nor interpret anything, but note that ADR and loop groop are very specific jobs, different from Additional Voices (or non-specific voice credits).
But I'm afraid I not made this clear enough.
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No war intended, just a discussion.
Sorry if my point was made too harsh, I know I tend to do this if a certain point is of some importance for me. But it never is meant personally.

I'm well aware that ADR and Loop Group are not exactly the default case of what we call "Cast" and that their job is done in Post-production.
But the latter is true for the "Voice-Over" actors in any animated film, especially for those that do the localised versions. Nevertheless we track those (if credited).

If I understood Ken's point correctly he doesn't want to distinguish between animated and "Live-Actionl" movies.

The problem here seems to be how we define "Non-specific Voice credits".
If I understand you correctly, you see this as limited to an "Additional Voices" (or equivalent) entry.
I understand it wider and see it as any credited Voice role that doesn't have a specific rolename. This would include the ADR, Loop, Walla, etc too, if mentioned in the credits. Since they are definitely voice, and (if following my logic) have a "Non-Specific" role.

I'm aware that it's almost impossible to change the POV of a partner in the heat of a discussion, so please just promise me to think about my POV.

After all, what harm is done if those additional data is entered. Those who don't like it can remove it, those interested in it can keep it.
In this regard I see those credits similar to Song-Titles, Company names and Job-descriptions in Group-Dividers.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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