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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
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A slew of Twentieth Century-Fox films have recently had their profiles corrupted by changing the studio from "Twentieth Century-Fox" to "Twentieth Century Fox" with no explanation, a host of "no" votes, and confirmation by several voters that the changes are inconsistent with the film credits.  Yet these changes were all approved and added to the online database.

I stopped contributing data to the online database a long time ago because of things like this, and I'm just about to give up on the voting process.  I don't understand how Invelos expects anyone who's conscientious about their profile data to continue caring about what's in the online database.  For those who enjoy beating their heads against the wall, there's now new work to be done.

Rant over.  I'll get back to work on my local database now.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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What a joke. 
99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1."
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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It is clear that the contribution process is not being reviewed by any human being.
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Yes Scott, I noticed it as well. I voted no on all that showed up to vote for, but all were approved it looks like.

No sources were even given for those changes, just "change Twentieth Century-Fox to Twentieth Century Fox" as the sole contribution. I think Hal is right, otherwise I don't see how these all were approved.

Now they all need to be changed back to how the studio appears in the actual films. A lot of incorrect data has gotten back into the database.

Twentieth Century-Fox, with hyphen, appeared in their films from approx. 1935 to 1985. We don't just randomly change it without the hyphen because that's how the studio appears now!
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Actually, this is something an automated processor would have gotten correct.  What seems to have happened is that a previously very accurate contributor submitted several of these.  The first few were accepted since they had no 'no' votes, then the evaluator continued to accept them for a while.  They did begin declining them towards the end, but I've forwarded this info to them to be sure.
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I am deeply sorry for what i did, if someone would tell me what profiles that i need to change back to "Twentieth Century-Fox" and not "Twentieth Century Fox" i will be more then gladly to fix this error in the database   

I was going by what i saw on the back covers
http://www.mulligansmovies.com/
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if someone would tell me what profiles that i need to change back to "Twentieth Century-Fox" and not "Twentieth Century Fox" i will be more then gladly to fix this error in the database

Hopefully they're still in your recent contributions list.

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so i need to change all the profiles that Twentieth Century-Fox, with hyphen, appeared in their films from approx. 1935 to 1985?
http://www.mulligansmovies.com/
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Well I would just look at your contributions and change them back unless you are going to look at the screen credits for each
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I am deeply sorry for what i did, if someone would tell me what profiles that i need to change back to "Twentieth Century-Fox" and not "Twentieth Century Fox" i will be more then gladly to fix this error in the database   

I was going by what i saw on the back covers



you are not the only person that has or is doing this. What irks me is the forum hounds that act like they know all about the rules and movies, have been voting yes on them.
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I think that, as for names, it would be better to have one and only one variant for studios. In my local I have a "common name" for them,  and this is one more reason that "exactly as on screen" rules prevent me from contributing. How can a database work correctly when same "objects" have different identifiers ?

Ken works to give us a wonderful program ( ) that allows searching, sorting, filtering and linking in many fields, and insane rules ( ) make all those functions useless. 
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I'm so confused cause while i was doing them i was getting both Yes's and No's

so my understanding is everything that older then 1985 should be "Twentieth Century-Fox" not "Twentieth Century Fox" If someone is willing to help me out so i can keep whats needed and change what needs to be changed that would be great.
http://www.mulligansmovies.com/
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I'm so confused cause while i was doing them i was getting both Yes's and No's

so my understanding is everything that older then 1985 should be "Twentieth Century-Fox" not "Twentieth Century Fox" If someone is willing to help me out so i can keep whats needed and change what needs to be changed that would be great.


If I were you I would just go to the web page that shows your past contributions, look in the comments where you changed the studios and just reverse it.  Unless you take the time to validate the screen credit it is better just to have them the way they were.

Fox is one of those few major studios that went by two different names so the backs of all the catalog titles say "Twentieth Century Fox", but the screen credits on the older titles  are "Twentieth Century-Fox". 

But when the disc or credits conflict with what is on the back we go with the actual disc contents.

Overview and rating are some of the few absolutes that come from the back that I can think of off hand.
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I'm also very confused . Where is it in the rules that tell us to only use the distributor, releasing and production companies only from onscreen credits. I have run across many that have several different uses of one company. A good example of this is "A Fish Called Wanda", check the cover and all the film credits and MGM appears at least 5 ways. It makes my head hurt sometimes trying to determine who released or distributed or produced or the correct MC(s).  
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I'm also very confused . Where is it in the rules that tell us to only use the distributor, releasing and production companies only from onscreen credits. I have run across many that have several different uses of one company. A good example of this is "A Fish Called Wanda", check the cover and all the film credits and MGM appears at least 5 ways. It makes my head hurt sometimes trying to determine who released or distributed or produced or the correct MC(s).  


Well from the time I have been here that when there is a conflict from what the back says and what is on the onscreen credits or the disc itself we go with the disc or onscreen credits, except for rating and overview which the rules explicitly state to take from the back.

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The rules do not state where to get the production studios from, so the assumption has been the on screen credits since that would be the most accurate for that point in time.

For MC's they just suggest where they might be located, but more specific direction

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Media Companies
The company(ies) responsible for the publishing (creating, assembling and ordering of the DVD/HD/BD content) and/or physical distribution of the media.

Enter in the following order:

    Publisher (Content) - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block, often containing the words "home video" or "home entertainment. Secondary publishers (eg. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.

    Licensor (Home Video Rights) - Usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back
of the box or in the credit block with words words regarding "under license from...".

    Distributor - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block with words regarding distribution.

Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once, using the name from the logo. List secondary publishers even if the name is similar. If you are unsure of the function performed, do not list the company.


However sometimes some of the MC data is on the disc credits.

But in these cases the production studio comes from the credits and should be "Twentieth Century-Fox".
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I'm also very confused . Where is it in the rules that tell us to only use the distributor, releasing and production companies only from onscreen credits.

It tells us in the introduction to the rules that, "The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself."  So if there is a conflict what is on the disc wins out over what is on the packaging.

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