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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I basically want to know if I am remembering correctly and if this is the same situation. In cases like this... If I remember correctly... thinking it was decided on the Men in Black films... didn't Ken decide we to ignore the shortened version of the title for the written out version? If I am correct can someone point me to Ken's decision so I can point to it in the contribution. This is for the box set with the first three movies. Oddly the first film profile already ignores the shortened title... as it is in the database as Mission: Impossible. So I guess I need to know if 2 and 3 should be changed to the written version or if the first one should be changed to M:I | | | Pete |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | For a similar case - Men in Black - Ken decided to use the full Text Men in Black II instead of MIIB... | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | The Rules say to "use the title from the front cover", which would be:
Mission:Impossible Mission:Impossible 2 Mission:Impossible 3
What's outside of the rules is not important. If the voters don't like your change then that's their problem.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: For a similar case - Men in Black - Ken decided to use the full Text Men in Black II instead of MIIB... Thank you... that is what I was looking for. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: The Rules say to "use the title from the front cover", which would be:
Mission:Impossible Mission:Impossible 2 Mission:Impossible 3
What's outside of the rules is not important. If the voters don't like your change then that's their problem.
--------------- But the reason I came here is because looking at the covers it can (and has in the past... ie MIB, MIIB etc) confused as the title or part of the title. All you have to do is look at that 10 page thread that was linked to see this. That is why I wanted the clarification to point to. | | | Pete |
| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | R.I.P.D. Region 1 Released: 10/29/2013 Anamorphic 2.35:1 C.H.U.D. All Regions Released: 1/30/2001 Anamorphic 1.77:1 | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | M:I-2 - Mission: Impossible 2: Tom Cruise: Bond 50 |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Fortunately, I agree with Mission Impossible Mission Impossible 2 Mission Impossible 3 Not everything on the cover is a title. We, as adults, need to decide for ourselves what is and isn't the title. The answer will not always be consistent, for the industry is not consistent I am sorry ateo357, but the first one is R.I.P.D. While you may or may not disagree, it is my opinion and therefore in my DB that way. The second, I am not familiar with, so will not comment. The discussion concerning Men in Black 3 years ago, devolved into name calling and Ken closed it (which probably should have been closed 5 pages earlier). Quoting Ken Quote: One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis. Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.
Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent. With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision. Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for. Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary.
We'll be implementing a global edit for contribution evaluator use. This will allow us to make a decision on a particular range of titles and standardize them directly. In this particular case, the titles will be Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black III. Details on the forthcoming implementation will be posted before we begin making any profile changes. If we want ken to decide, I would suggest sending him a personal note with his quote, and and get him to make a judgement. Of course, no matter the decision, somebody will not be happy... | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: April 1, 2007 | Posts: 185 |
| Posted: | | | | Whether in violations of the rules, I don't know, but for movies that are acronyms or abbreviations, I tend to sort my own physical collection based on pop culture...what it's commonly known as.
MI1, MI2, etc would be sorted under "Mission Impossible"
MIB, MIIB, etc, sorted under "Men in Black"
T2: Judgment Day I have sorted as "Terminator 2".
E.T. - The Extra Terrestrial is sorted starting "ET", not "Extra"
R.I.P.D. would be sorted "RIPD", not "Rest in Peace Dept", because that's how pop culture knows it, going back even to the comic.
Same goes for C.H.U.D. because most know the movie simply as "Chud", even many fans of the genre don't know that C.H.U.D. stands for "Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller". | | | Last edited: by 69samael69 |
| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: Fortunately, I agree with
Mission Impossible Mission Impossible 2 Mission Impossible 3
Not everything on the cover is a title. We, as adults, need to decide for ourselves what is and isn't the title. The answer will not always be consistent, for the industry is not consistent
I am sorry ateo357, but the first one is R.I.P.D. While you may or may not disagree, it is my opinion and therefore in my DB that way. The second, I am not familiar with, so will not comment.
The discussion concerning Men in Black 3 years ago, devolved into name calling and Ken closed it (which probably should have been closed 5 pages earlier).
Quoting Ken
Quote: One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis. Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.
Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent. With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision. Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for. Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary.
We'll be implementing a global edit for contribution evaluator use. This will allow us to make a decision on a particular range of titles and standardize them directly. In this particular case, the titles will be Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black III. Details on the forthcoming implementation will be posted before we begin making any profile changes.
If we want ken to decide, I would suggest sending him a personal note with his quote, and and get him to make a judgement.
Of course, no matter the decision, somebody will not be happy... No need to be sorry, all I did was post a couple of the same type of covers that are in the database, Didn't give an opinion one way or the other. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 69samael69: Quote: Whether in violations of the rules, I don't know, but for movies that are acronyms or abbreviations, I tend to sort my own physical collection based on pop culture...what it's commonly known as.
MI1, MI2, etc would be sorted under "Mission Impossible"
MIB, MIIB, etc, sorted under "Men in Black"
T2: Judgment Day I have sorted as "Terminator 2".
E.T. - The Extra Terrestrial is sorted starting "ET", not "Extra"
R.I.P.D. would be sorted "RIPD", not "Rest in Peace Dept", because that's how pop culture knows it, going back even to the comic.
Same goes for C.H.U.D. because most know the movie simply as "Chud", even many fans of the genre don't know that C.H.U.D. stands for "Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller". I don't think Invelos rules cover how you sort your physical collection, yet... | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: April 1, 2007 | Posts: 185 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote: Quoting 69samael69:
Quote: Whether in violations of the rules, I don't know, but for movies that are acronyms or abbreviations, I tend to sort my own physical collection based on pop culture...what it's commonly known as.
MI1, MI2, etc would be sorted under "Mission Impossible"
MIB, MIIB, etc, sorted under "Men in Black"
T2: Judgment Day I have sorted as "Terminator 2".
E.T. - The Extra Terrestrial is sorted starting "ET", not "Extra"
R.I.P.D. would be sorted "RIPD", not "Rest in Peace Dept", because that's how pop culture knows it, going back even to the comic.
Same goes for C.H.U.D. because most know the movie simply as "Chud", even many fans of the genre don't know that C.H.U.D. stands for "Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller".
I don't think Invelos rules cover how you sort your physical collection, yet... LOL No probably not. I just know. I also sort numbers alphabetically, not numerically. That ensures consistency between say The Ten Commandments and 10 Cloverfield Lane. I don't bother to change the sort titles in DVD Profiler, but that's how I prefer my physical collection to look. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,745 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 69samael69: Quote: I also sort numbers alphabetically, not numerically. That ensures consistency between say The Ten Commandments and 10 Cloverfield Lane. I don't bother to change the sort titles in DVD Profiler, but that's how I prefer my physical collection to look. I do it the other way around. "Three Muskeeters" comes after "2 Guns" but before "Seven Samurai" | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: I do it the other way around. "Three Muskeeters" comes after "2 Guns" but before "Seven Samurai" I do mine a little differently. If the number is spelled out I sort it alphabetically. If it's presented as a number I sort it numerically. --------------- |
| Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: Quoting 69samael69:
Quote: I also sort numbers alphabetically, not numerically. That ensures consistency between say The Ten Commandments and 10 Cloverfield Lane. I don't bother to change the sort titles in DVD Profiler, but that's how I prefer my physical collection to look.
I do it the other way around. "Three Muskeeters" comes after "2 Guns" but before "Seven Samurai" So where does 10,000 BC fit in? The problem with numeric titles that I've found is that you have to have enough leading zeros to sort properly. | | | Last edited: by Leiterfluid |
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