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When does the edition get carried over to the child profiles?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I was going through some combo packs and some do and some don't carry over the edition from the parent profile.

For example.
Supergirl from the WB's Archive Collection, the child profile only has Director's Cut for an edition.
Should Archive Collection be added to that too?

Solo: A Star Wars Story 4K.
The parent has Ultimate Collector's Edition as the edition.
The blu-ray child has no edition entered.

Muppets Most Wanted
The parent has an edition entered.
The child doesn't.

The 4K set of the Jurassic Park movies has an edition.
None of the child profiles has an edition.

The old Back to the Future Trilogy set has an edition.
But none of the child profiles do.

The big box set of the James Dean blu-ray has an edition.
But none of the child profiles do.

The 25h Anniversary set of Back to the Future films has an edition.
But none of the child profiles carry that over.

What about double or triple features?
Does that get applied to the child profiles too?
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Does a 'collection of toys'  mean every single toy therein is a 'collection of toys'?
Does a 'collection of paintings' means every painting therein is also such a collection?
Does a 'collection of books' (think Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, etc.) means every book is?

Now on DVD's and BluRays the use of 'collection' is mainly if not always a marketing ploy. The times of 'widescreen edition' being a meaningful tag are years behind us.

For instance, every release is months later than the theatrical release, so every release is part of the archive  -- meaning such an edition attribute is trivial. And would the '25th Anniversary' be correct for the first movie of the set, the middle or the last, or reference to theatrical, video tape, DVD of 4k release date?

I think you can guess my opinion: unless a constituent disc has its own casing and covers saying it is an edition of sorts, I do not think a child profile should carry over the edition from the parent.
Eric

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unless a constituent disc has its own casing and covers saying it is an edition of sorts, I do not think a child profile should carry over the edition from the parent.

That's my opinion, too.
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Sorry guys, I disagree. The children are part of that particular edition. If something is part of a collection, then it's part of the collection. Special Edition, Deluxe Edition, Ultimate Collector's Edition, etc...these say to me that everything inside is part of that edition.
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Sorry guys, I disagree. The children are part of that particular edition. If something is part of a collection, then it's part of the collection. Special Edition, Deluxe Edition, Ultimate Collector's Edition, etc...these say to me that everything inside is part of that edition.


Yes, but being part of a collection does not make it a collection itself. So that moniker shouldn't apply unless specifically on the cover of the child profile.
Eric

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I would say use it if you think it helps distinguishing between different releases of the same title.
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I like to see when the edition is carried over to the children. It makes it obvious when a movie is part of a set, without having to look at the cover scan.

For instance,

976-Evil II: Horror Collection: 8 Movie Pack
Inferno: Dario Argento Collection: Volume 1
Kill Bill: Volume 1: Double Feature

Realistically though, there is no consistency at all. I have 3 different copies of Pit and the Pendulum and 4 different copies of I am Omega and none of them have edition information to distinguish them from each other...only the cover scan.
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976-Evil II: Horror Collection: 8 Movie Pack

But how do the words "8 Movie Pack" apply to a child profile for a single movie? Only the box, and with that, the parent profile, is an "8 Movie Pack", but surely each of the individual child profiles aren't "8 Movie Packs", too?
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976-Evil II: Horror Collection: 8 Movie Pack

But how do the words "8 Movie Pack" apply to a child profile for a single movie? Only the box, and with that, the parent profile, is an "8 Movie Pack", but surely each of the individual child profiles aren't "8 Movie Packs", too?

But it essentially tells you immediately from the title edition which set the movie is in and it's just as valid/invalid as copying the box set cover to each child. I am Omega, for instance, I have it as an individual release, but it's also in a double feature set, and I have it again in a Midnight Horror 4 movie pack and Midnight Horror 10 movie pack. (Yes, I love zombie movies) In my mind, the edition seem the ideal way to distinguish these.
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I get that, really I do. It's just that I personally have no need for, nor want to attach a label like "8 Movie Pack" label to a single profile for a single film. It just doesn't feel right to me. Even when I have three copies of the same film - it happens - I don't need more distinguishing than there already is: that particular profile is already distinguished more than enough for me by hanging as a child profile under that particular box set parent profile. And all three copies have different cover art as well. Repeating the box set title as the edition doesn't add anything useful for me. The fact that it *is* a child profile and that it has that cover is all I need. But your mileage will vary, of course. But there are valid points to be made for either approach, and as is so often the case, a wide consensus on this seems virtually impossible… It's one of those things where there's no way to please everyone, and the only real solution is that Invelos just makes an arbitrary decision and puts that into the contribution rules. That's the only way to achieve any kind of consistency on this - but alas...
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Actually, the on-line list doesn't show the nesting and it's not a great implementation with the mobile version, where it expands to a sub-page, so if I need to browse, in the mobile app I typically turn nesting off and hide anything that doesn't have a collection number. It would actually be nice if the web interface were a little more robust. I'd like to be able to apply filters and hide entries that do not have a collection number, for instance. This includes box set parents since I only give the children a number and don't want the parent counted, but I don't typically give "special edition" disks a number either. This is also true for DVD/BD combo packs and TV seasons, of which only the parent gets a number since I only want them counted once. If I'm browsing, this hides over 600 duplicate or redundant entries. The nesting really only works well on the windows platform or when all the movies in the set have the same name, The Godfather, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc.

As for the edition thing, I get where you're coming from and it's not a huge deal for me. It is a bit of preference and depends a bit on how one uses the tools. I'll usually use it if I submit a new box set, but I don't do out of my way to update the ones that already exist. 
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I am personally not a fan of carrying parent editions to the child. 

You could end up with things like (Archive Collection:Directors cut) or arguing (Directors Cut: Archive collection)  There are many boxsets in which the children are special cuts as labeled on the disks itself.
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Quoting T!M:
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Quoting 69samael69:
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976-Evil II: Horror Collection: 8 Movie Pack

But how do the words "8 Movie Pack" apply to a child profile for a single movie? Only the box, and with that, the parent profile, is an "8 Movie Pack", but surely each of the individual child profiles aren't "8 Movie Packs", too?

But it essentially tells you immediately from the title edition which set the movie is in and it's just as valid/invalid as copying the box set cover to each child. I am Omega, for instance, I have it as an individual release, but it's also in a double feature set, and I have it again in a Midnight Horror 4 movie pack and Midnight Horror 10 movie pack. (Yes, I love zombie movies) In my mind, the edition seem the ideal way to distinguish these.

+1, It helps me to locate the movie on my shelf
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