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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAndyEN
Registered: May 25, 2007
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One thing I was wondering is, how long should a bonus movie be before it's treated as a child profile vs. a bonus short? If, for example a bonus movie is only 28 minutes long, does it warrant having a separate child profile?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMichael 666
Registered: March 13, 2007
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28 mins is not a feature IMO though there is nothing definitive in the rules about this. My personal standard is over 60 mins. for content that was shown in a theater or intended to be for theatrical release.

The Oscar eligibility rules define a feature as 40 mins or greater as do the American and British Film Institutes. Sundance Film Festival is 50 mins. and the Screen Actors Guild is 70 mins. so there are a few differing standards out there.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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This is a bit complicated, because we have no minimum length for the main feature. For example, Flicker Alley's release of George Meliès A Trip to the Moon runs only 16 minutes. So it would be acceptable as a main feature, but not as a bonus feature?

We obviously don't want child profiles for every possible bonus feature, so where do we draw the line? Is it just a matter of runtime?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAndyEN
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Whatever the length it should be less than 60 as a lot of old Westerns, which most people would agree were feature films, run less than an hour. Some criteria is needed here even if it goes beyond just run time.
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I agree: this is really something that needs clarification. I have loads of "Bonus Feature Film" child profiles in my local database, some that I have contributed and have been accepted into the database, others that I haven't submitted because, depending on the definition used, they may not qualify. I don't mind keeping a number of these profiles as local, un-contributable profiles, but on the other hand, I'd be happy to upload my work to the online database.

An example that I *have* submitted: the Criterion Collection Blu-ray of Alexander Payne's 'Election' contains Alexander Payne's 49-minute UCLA thesis film 'The Passion of Martin'. I've created a "Bonus Feature Film" child profile for that, and contributed it into the database. It seems to be exactly what the "Bonus Feature Film" concept is for: a film by the same director, with it's own distinct set of cast and crew that I want to track - heck, it even has it's own set of bonus material (an introduction by the director plus a set of production notes). For myself, that's more than enough to warrant its own profile, but was I right in contributing it into the database, as it only runs for only 49 minutes? Is that long enough to qualify?

An example I *haven't* submitted (yet): the Criterion Collection Blu-ray of Mike Leigh's 'Topsy-Turvy' contains Mike Leigh's 1992 short film 'A Sense of History', written by and starring Jim Broadbent. Locally, I've created a "Bonus Feature Film" child profile for that, but as it runs for only 26 minutes, I haven't yet contributed it into the database. Should I contribute it regardless of the 26 minute running time? I do consider this short an interesting part of both Mike Leigh's and Jim Broadbent's work, and I want my database to include these credits - hence my need for that child profile. But whether to contribute it into the database or not, that's the question.

Another example I haven't submitted (yet): the UK DVD of Ed Blum's 'Scenes of a Sexual Nature' contains a lovely short by the same director, called 'The Last Post', starring Maureen Beattie, Richard Hope and Bill Thomas. There again, I've created a "Bonus Feature Film" child profile for that in my local database, but as it runs for only 8 minutes, I've kept it local for now, and haven't contributed it into the online database. But to me personally, it's not that different to Alexander Payne's 49-minute UCLA thesis film. It's a separate work by the same director as the disc's main feature, and I'd like to track it, and it's cast and crew, in my database somehow.

Again, if there's a clear set of rules that allows one and forbids the other, I'm happy to keep some of these child profiles local, but the reasoning behind creating such a child profile in my local database in the first place, is the same whether it runs for 90, 60, 50, 40 or even only 8 minutes. Either it's something significant that I want to track locally, or it's not. The running time isn't my primary concern there - I only take that in consideration when it comes to deciding to contribute it into the database or not.
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Just to add more to this discussion. Some discs main features are very short. Many good examples can be found with music ones; I've a few that are under 5 minutes long. It would seem possibly a bit inconsistent to allow these 'main' features and not allow much longer 'bonus' ones.

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