Short Circuit (again)
I Removed this Credit:
Gregg Chapion: Producer
with this note in the contribution note:
Gregg Chapion: Producer (excluded by the rules: Supervising Producer)

One User votes No:
Supervising Producer is NOT excluded by the rules.

Rules Crew:
by production you only find: Producer or Executive Poducer ad no provision for a Supervising Producer like you have for the Supervising Art Director.

Supervising Producer is NOT excluded by the rules. We're tracking supervising art directors, supervising sound editors, supervising re-recording mixers, supervising editors - why then would we possibly decide to leave out a supervising producer? It just doesn't make sense, and it's certainly not addressed in the rules.

Think about it: would you enter a "supervising re-recording mixer"? That credit appears pretty frequently nowadays, and people are unanimously entering them - and quite rightly so, IMHO. So how can you possibly sustain a different policy with regards to a "supervising producer"? Neither are specifically allowed or prohibited by the rules. You can't go around claiming one is prohibited and the other isn't - it's just not true. If we're entering "supervising re-recording mixers", I'm entering "supervising producers" as well - the rules treat them exactly alike, even if that is by not specifically mentioning them.

Supervising Art Directors or re-recording mixers, based on credit ordering, seem to fulfill the definition of "supervisor" in that they were in charge of others with the same job.

Can the same logic be applied to Producers?  Do the Supervising Producers supervise the Producers?  Or are they subordinate to Producers but with good negotiating skills to make them sound more important?

Those aren't rhetorical questions.  I don't know the answers.


I don't recall having seen Supervising Producer as a credit before but if i found it listed between the Executive Producers and Producers i might consider submitting with a note but otherwise...

I'm reminded of this quote from State & Main 
Joseph Turner White: What's an associate producer credit?
Bill Smith: It's what you give to your secretary instead of a raise.

Quoting tweeter:

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I'm reminded of this quote from State & Main 
Joseph Turner White: What's an associate producer credit?
Bill Smith: It's what you give to your secretary instead of a raise.

I enjoyed that film a great deal! Anyway: that's probably why we don't enter associate producers - something that is specifically addressed in the credits table, unlike supervising producers. Entering supervising producers is not prohibited in any way, and since we track the "supervising" people in all other categories, there's no valid reason to apply a different standard to producers.

Oh, and northbloke is absolutely right: "Production Supervisor" is something else entirely. I certainly wouldn't enter those.

I agree that Supervising Producer gets a Producer credit.

To end the discussion:
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For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section.

A Supervising Producer is NOT listed!
End of discussion

Quoting goblinsdoitall:

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To end the discussion:
Quote rules (Bold by me)

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For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section.

A Supervising Producer is NOT listed!
End of discussion

This becomes somewhat of a problem when you look at the table and see that many of the crew roles have NO entries whatsoever.

It also means we can't credit 'Art Director' since the only entry for that role is 'Supervising Art'.

Sorry, but that argument does not end the debate at all!

Nice try though!

@T!M: If you follow the rules, yes, you should remove the supervising re-recording mixers.

@T!M and hal9g: No, the Art Director is listed, please look at the first row last entry there we have an "Art Director" which also might be credited as "Supervising Art".

My goodness, some people try to make a problem out of everything.

EDIT: regarding the producer-credit with a prefix, you don't really want to tell that you also credit assistant- and co producers, do you?