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Die Monster Uni
8-717418-408091 Nov 20, 2013 Nov 25, 2013  Yes: 9  No: 3  Released  Declined

There is a Steelbook in the database with a Frontcover much too dark, very dark grey and it has no Title on it, the Title is only on the bottom Slipcover. So I did a new scan from the Frontcover and got much better colors. The Steelbook has a bright silver Frontcover what is very difficult to scan. Also the green is as on my scan, even mine is still too dark and not really a bright silver, but at least not nearly black. I got 9 YES votes and 3 NO votes. All the 3 NO voters reason is: NO to SlipCover, NO with SlipCover. So I believe the colors where right for them too, but they don't want a SlipCover what has at least the Title on it. I don't know why the screener did decline the image, wrong colors, no title and I described it very long in the contribution note:

Now the story about the Frontcoverscan. More and more contributors make Frontcovers without the small slipcover, then you have Frontcovers without even a title, just an image. Do we collect nice images here or do we collect worthful informations? Backcover is unchanged and from the slipcover. The Front slipcover is not hight, just on bottom but it is a slipcover into which you stack the Steelbook. Rules tell to scan the slipcover if present. Back of the Steelbook has also a nice image, but there rules tell also the EAN has to be here and the informations. This is the same, at least the Title and if present the Edition must be viewable on the scan (I know there are other contributions without any title, in my eyes they are wrong. Also the actual Frontcover is by fare too dark. Look your Steelbook at daylight, it's a bright silver and also the colors, the green, is not a neon green but a normal that matches well on my scan. Hope you like it :-)

Actual Scan:



and my new Scan:



What do you think about this. Decline an image that has much better colors just because I have the SlipCover and 3 do not want a SlipCover. Online now an image with wrong colors and no Title. I am a bit confused,

Fritz

I'm surprised it got declined, as per the rules it should include the slip (at least that seems to be te consensus) from the rules "If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image."  So that alone, should trump the previos scan.  I can't speak to the colors as I don't own it.

What about the rear cover?  Did they use the artwork or slip?

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I'm surprised it got declined, as per the rules it should include the slip (at least that seems to be te consensus) from the rules "If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image."  So that alone, should trump the previos scan.  I can't speak to the colors as I don't own it.

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I'm surprised it got declined, as per the rules it should include the slip

At this point I'm convinced that the votes far outweigh the rules when it comes to influencing the screeners.

Agreed. I've seen this so many times. Contributions that are clearly violating the rules and bring nothing else get approved because people vote yes without thinking. Or - like in this case - vote no based on preference rather than based on the rules.

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Contributions that are clearly violating the rules and bring nothing else get approved because people vote yes without thinking. Or - like in this case - vote no based on preference rather than based on the rules.

Unfortunately, that's my experience as well. It's a pretty sad state of affairs. 

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I'm surprised it got declined, as per the rules it should include the slip

At this point I'm convinced that the votes far outweigh the rules when it comes to influencing the screeners.

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I'm not.  Unless I misunderstood, the screeners went with the minority opinion here. 

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Or - like in this case - vote no based on preference rather than based on the rules

The real problem is that rules are generally against common sense. People wanting to have correct data (existing actors, not invented ones,... correct spelling,... correct covers...) have two choises : never vote on contributions, to avoid to vote yes to stupid data (that is what I do), or vote against the rules, knowing that screeners also often choose common sense against stupid rules.

The only way to solve this would be to rewrite rules in a sense that is satisfying for the majority of users, who, unfortunately, never write anything on those forums...

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Invoking the "silent majority" as an argument has made the arguer lose the discussion since FidoNet. It's just bad style.

This majority is silent on forums, but is not on contributions. Most of people who contribute and vote on the profiles of my region/country never post on the forums, but through their votes you can easily see whether they prefer to follow the rules or follow their preferences (which, as far as I can see, are generally "common sense" data). Why do screeners often prefer to follow the votes  than the letter of the rules ? It would be interesting to have here their opinion...