When one visits a movie database site they usually list one profile for each movie. But here we profile each movie on each disc as a separate entity. This can lead to incomplete movie profiles, incorrect data such as names spelled wrong or roles, even uncredited cast listed without the checkbox checked which can all lead to CLT faults.

For example I downloaded several profiles of The Fast and the Furious.
R. J. de Vera credited as R. J. de Vera or RJ De Vera
Vin Diesel's role as Dominic Toretto or Dominic "Dom" Toretto
A German steelbook with blank cast & crew.
Paul Walker role as Brian O'Conner or Brian Earl Spilner/Officer O'Conne

Where a film is produced should factor in to determine the most accurate data. A US produced film such as The Fast and the Furious films would use a US profile as a starting point and a film such as a Godzilla film would use a Japanese profile as a starting point.

These profiles would be a template and any locality differences can still be made and uploaded, but would never change the template profile unless approved by either the community or Ken.

Something like this.

Main Movie Profile>>>>Downloaded to All Profiles>>>>Locality Changes made and uploaded alters only those profiles and NOT the Main Movie Profile>>>>Anyone who wants to change data in the Main Movie Profile can, but must submit changes and have them Approved by the community and Ken.
Changed Main Movie Profile will then be available for download.

Think of it as a reset.

Granted we're talking about thousands of movies, so either Ken can come up with a program to determine the most complete and accurate profile to use, or the community can choose which profile to use as a starting point. And then ask the community to make changes before agreeing to use that as the Main Movie Profile.

I guess it boils down to what we want out of the program. A disc profiler or a Cast & Crew database

Just throwing out an idea.

If someone has a better idea about the Cast & Crew database aspect, please chime in.

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When one visits a movie database site they usually list one profile for each movie. But here we profile each movie on each disc as a separate entity.

... I guess it boils down to what we want out of the program. A disc profiler or a Cast & Crew database.

I'd be happy if we could just profile all multi-movie discs the same way (i.e. each film gets its own profile) without resorting to manual profiles.  I don't care so much about what gets put in the online database because I don't think I'll ever trust it enough to stop doing my own audits.

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Sounds like a decent enough idea. Of course there will always be problems (multiple versions of each film, different credits between localities, etc). I think the biggest hurdle to any attempt at implementing something like this is the community's/Ken's willingness to try something different.

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I guess it boils down to what we want out of the program. A disc profiler or a Cast & Crew database

For me... definitely a disc profiler. That is what I went in expecting... that is what I put my money down for. And I for one would hate if it went away from that... I would be sorely disappointed. There is more then enough sources for a cast and crew database on the web if that is what I wanted to look at for whatever reason.

And when it comes down to it... what matters is what Ken wants his program to be.

I don't think the two things are necessarily exclusive to one another. Otherwise, we could just throw out the cast & crew sections entirely and be free of probably 75% of the frustrations of contributing. Suggestions for a unified cast & crew database are just trying to make things easier, not necessarily take away from the disc profiling aspect of it.

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When one visits a movie database site they usually list one profile for each movie. But here we profile each movie on each disc as a separate entity.

That's because this isn't a movie database site, this is a DVD/Blu-ray Collection site.

I don't get this sentiment, it makes absolutely no sense.  I understand that DVD Profiler is first and foremost about tracking what is on the Disc.  Last time i checked the movie is on the disc.  I don't get why tracking and collecting pertinent information about the film on the disc is a bad thing.

I see no interest about a disc profiler. I collect movies, and in my database, I have already 1 movie=1 profile (no box set, two profiles when two movies on same disc).

So I'm OK with the OP proposal, but I would want for this unique profile correct data (matching real world reality), with everything obviously  wrong in credits corrected, and of course no added spelling mistakes.

I mostly buy discs without ever seeing the film before.... so the film itself only has to sound half way interesting to me (guess you can say because of the overview)... or was recommended to me from a friend.

While the type of case or color or upc number may not matter to anyone... I can see...

Different audio tracks being important  and can be a reason for buying a certain release. (what languages is understood)
Different subtitles being important and can be a reason for buying a certain release. (what languages is understood)
Extras vs. Bare bones release being important  and can be a reason for buying a certain release.

While the movie/TV Series may be the most important thing on the disc... I seldomly know it before the purchase.

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Does anyone buy a DVD of Casablanca because the UPC is 0000000110012 or because it is 0000000110013?

no

I agree... very doubtful.

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Does anyone buy Chinatown because it is in a black keepcase...or because it is in a blue keepcase...or because it is a snapper?

no

If I had the possibility of buying this film and the only difference being one is in a keep case and another being a snapper. I definitely would buy the keep case over the snapper every time. If I had 2 or more choices of Keep  Case colors... and everything else being exactly the same in the release... I would choose whatever cover color I liked the best. But would I let any of it stop me from buying a movie? Usually no.

Though there has been times I couldn't decide which film to buy between 2 different films and chose the one in a keep case over the one in a snapper on more then one occasion... so maybe you would consider that a yes?

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Do you think we should just have one profile per movie as a starting point?

Yes, I do. And the phrase "as a starting point" should quash any concerns that anyone might have - of course the program should still be able to handle differences that can vary from disc to disc, but generally speaking, it's ridiculous that dozens of users around the world are simultaneously entering the same data for the same films and/or TV shows. Let alone minor updates: every shifting common name, every newly-documented birth year now has to be propagated profile by profile - which effectively means that most profiles are consistently outdated. Things may be fairly up-to-date in a few "major" localities, but for every film that has, say, a perfect U.S. profile, there are dozens of, say, Brazilian, Spanish or Finnish profiles that need work. And you may think: well, I don't care, those don't bother me, but those inaccurate profiles do bother us - through the CLT. You could say that the fact that we currently do not "have one profile per movie as a starting point" is the sole reason that this forum is largely made up of common name-finding threads. If we just worked with one base set of cast/crew per title - again of course catering for occasions where there are different versions out there - that would do absolute wonders for the CLT. No more ploughing through page after page of incorrect IMDb-mined profiles in "smaller" localities. So yeah, I definitely agree that's what we need. Whether it's ever going to happen, though, is another question altogether...