The rules do not specifically address Video Format and there is some disagreement as to whether or not Video Format should be included in Box Set data.

It has been my experience that when one attempts to contribute a Box Set, and you do NOT include Format Data, the program does not allow the contribution to go through.

I just tested that with UPC 096009996499. I removed the Video Format data, tried to contribute the profile and received the following: "Unable to Contribute this Profile. Please correct the following errors before contributing this DVD: No Video Formats specified."

I'm not sure how these contributions made it to the voting page but, based on the above, I have been
voting "no" on this data being removed.

Thoughts?

The UPC I posted above is NOT a new contribution. It is in the database with the Video Format included. I removed the Video Format, tried to contribute the changed data and was not able to.

Quoting GreyHulk:

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Yeah, you can't contribute a new Profile without including Video Format.

I feel if everything in the Box Set has the same ratio, then you should include it.
Or say everything in the Box Set is 'Anamorphic Widescreen' with no specific ratio, for example, if it differs.

That's what I think too.

So I voted Other since it depends on the child profiles.

It's Yes it they are all the same.
It's Partial if not, as described above.

Quoting CubbyUps:

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It's Yes it they are all the same.
It's Partial if not, as described above.

We don't do that for the audio section, do we? We don't include audio data, neither complete nor partial, even when the audio tracks of the various child profiles (partially) match. So why would we do that for video, then? What would be the logic in treating the audio and video sections differently? Surely, any line of reasoning that leads us to leaving out the audio data from box set parent profiles, is exactly the line of reasoning that would lead us to leaving out the video data of box set parent profiles as well.

I'll illustrate that further, as the principle behind leaving most data out of box set profiles is always the same, and applies to all fields that we leave empty equally. Here we go:

- Why don't we include cast or crew? Because the box set profile doesn't actually profile any content, so there isn't any cast/crew to track.

- Why don't we include audio or subtitles? Because the box set profile doesn't actually profile any content, so there's no audio or subtitles to track.

- Why don't we include features? Because the box set profile doesn't actually profile any content, so there are no features to track.

- Why don't we include Disc ID's? Because the box set profile doesn't actually profile any content, any discs, so there are no Disc ID's to track.

And so on. In the face of all that, how could anyone argue in favor of including video data? Again and again, the reasoning is that there's no data to track. When there are no Disc ID's, no audio tracks, no subtitles, no features, no cast/crew, then why would there be video data? How does that make any sense whatsoever? When we don't even track the disc itself, if there are no discs in the profile, then how can the profile have a video format? Surely that video information comes from the discs? If a profile doesn't even track the disc, it shouldn't track any information from it. It's really that simple.

Apart from the fact that making an exception for video data makes no sense when all similar fields are left out, there's the fact that Invelos specifically built in the behaviour that video data is no longer required as soon as a profile becomes a box set profile by adding child profiles. At that point, the previously required video data suddenly is no longer required. There's your answer...

Quoting AiAustria:

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Why is this thread a Poll? - What is the question??

Oops I forgot to untick the box.

I was going to post this as a poll but I changed my mind thinking it wouldn't provide me with enough information.

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Quoting CubbyUps:

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It's Yes it they are all the same.
It's Partial if not, as described above.

We don't do that for the audio section, do we? We don't include audio data, neither complete nor partial, even when the audio tracks of the various child profiles (partially) match. So why would we do that for video, then? What would be the logic in treating the audio and video sections differently? Surely, any line of reasoning that leads us to leaving out the audio data from box set parent profiles, is exactly the line of reasoning that would lead us to leaving out the video data of box set parent profiles as well.

I'll illustrate that further, as the principle behind leaving most data out of box set profiles is always the same, and applies to all fields that we leave empty equally. Here we go:

- Why don't we include cast or crew? Because the box set profile doesn't actually profile any content, so there isn't any cast/crew to track.

- Why don't we include audio or subtitles? Because the box set profile doesn't actually profile any content, so there's no audio or subtitles to track.

- Why don't we include features? Because the box set profile doesn't actually profile any content, so there are no features to track.

- Why don't we include Disc ID's? Because the box set profile doesn't actually profile any content, any discs, so there are no Disc ID's to track.

And so on. In the face of all that, how could anyone argue in favor of including video data? Again and again, the reasoning is that there's no data to track. When there are no Disc ID's, no audio tracks, no subtitles, no features, no cast/crew, then why would there be video data? How does that make any sense whatsoever? When we don't even track the disc itself, if there are no discs in the profile, then how can the profile have a video format? Surely that video information comes from the discs? If a profile doesn't even track the disc, it shouldn't track any information from it. It's really that simple.

Apart from the fact that making an exception for video data makes no sense when all similar fields are left out, there's the fact that Invelos specifically built in the behaviour that video data is no longer required as soon as a profile becomes a box set profile by adding child profiles. At that point, the previously required video data suddenly is no longer required. There's your answer...

All well and good, but I've seen contributions with studios (Non media companies) being contributed, voted positively for and approved and eventually released.

If as you say is true then non media studios shouldn't be allowed.

Also the same about Genres.
Why are Genres allowed for the box set profile? This has nothing to do with the box, but the movies contained within.

Why is the Country of Origin allowed?
That should be left blank as well.

Ideally the only data that should be in the Box Set main profile are the following.
Year (since this is required to contribute any profile)
Case Type
Release Date
Covers
Box Set Data
Overview per case
Media Company
Total Running Time (Since it's in the rules)
Rating (Since it's in the rules)

However, if we were to correctly profile just the box we probably should leave out everything that regards the children. That would include the running time and the rating too.

The only data that should be in the main box set profile should be regarding the box itself then.

Quoting CubbyUps:

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If as you say is true then non media studios shouldn't be allowed.

Indeed. Which is why I never enter them for box set parent profiles, and consistently remove them when someone else has entered any (and yes, they're consistently voted positively for and approved). An empty box doesn't have a studio, only a media company.

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Why are Genres allowed for the box set profile? This has nothing to do with the box, but the movies contained within.

I'm willing to go either way on that.

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Why is the Country of Origin allowed? That should be left blank as well.

Agreed.

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Ideally the only data that should be in the Box Set main profile are the following.
Year (since this is required to contribute any profile)
Case Type
Release Date
Covers
Box Set Data
Overview per case
Media Company
Total Running Time (Since it's in the rules)
Rating (Since it's in the rules)

Indeed.

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However, if we were to correctly profile just the box we probably should leave out everything that regards the children. That would include the running time and the rating too.

Again, I could go along with that. Neither are particularly interesting to me, personally, although I can see how having a box set's total running time listed somewhere can be interesting. The good thing is that both fields are specifically addressed in the rules, so at least there's no ambiguity. But "audio information" and "video information" are such similar fields, that it makes no sense to include one and exclude the other. It should be both or neither. Any reasoning behind leaving out audio data applies to leaving out video data as well.

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The only data that should be in the main box set profile should be regarding the box itself then.

Indeed.

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The info was doing no harm

I beg to differ. For query and statistical purposes logical inconsistencies do harm.
So there can be two ways:
- Keep the database consistent and let those who wish to do so add/keep inconsistent data locally.
- Keep the database inconsistent and let those who care clean it up it locally.

Do I have to tell you which seems more rational to me?

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To be honest I couldn't give a whatsit

Great way to open an argument where you criticize the spirit of this site...