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Call a Moritorium on Birthyear and Common Name |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I do not support the moratorium suggestion for either. I love the functionality.
Let's learn to use the program. What functionality? They are not 100% complete yet. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I am saying that with a simple association system, James, no interface would be required as such and it would be invisible to the users, it would affect searches and that is all. I'm just trying to understand what you are describing, so...are you saying that the program would automatically know how to make the associations or would users still make the associations either in their local or in the online? How would the distinction be made between Lon Chaney, Sr. and Jr. for example, in cases where they were both credited as Lon Chaney? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
As I have said before, and i think the simple translation of what John said, a simple association system that does not involve changing the As Credited in any way
Lon Chaney=Lon Chaney Jr=Lon Chaney, Jr=Lon Chaney, Jr.
No matter how the user searches, he will get the same set of titles
This could be set up to allow users to get results based on the specific search for example just Lon Chaney.
I would probably set up normal search results hierarchially, with the users specific search listed first and other results in order of frequency of appearance.
Skip I already said early on when this was first announced that we should do it that way. Any other way allows far too much personal preference to creep into the mix. I can support doing that way, but none other at this point. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
What functionality? They are not 100% complete yet. Using BY and common names, I can link different names and separate same names. It's working great. There are a few issues, particularly with very unknown cast and crew. But for popular names, it's fantastic. And I also benefit from other user's work when I can download BY and common name data that they've completed. As for 100% complete...we're not 100% complete on anything; are we? I'm getting the imperfect benefit of community efforts just as I always have with DVDP. I get updates on profiles every week for profiles I've had in my db for years. It is what it is. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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You missed a key phrase in my comment, "in any way"
We still have 'As Credited' data, but it's entered together with the common name. Are you saying you want the program to look like it did before and have a separate interface to get into the linking? One way you could do it is to add a checkbox for "Add to Alias File", and then the name that is different would be added to the record for that actor in the Alias database. When you save the Edit screen, if the checkbox is checked, a dialogue box pops up saying "Attach name to this record?" and have the other aliases shown so you can visually verify its the right list. Since this is supposed to be for lookup purposes only, all you need is the variable name and which movie that name is attached to for search purposes. This is really just basic data error trapping, and shouldn't be that tough to set up. I've done similar in dBase IV years ago, and Delphi is a hell of a lot more powerful than dBase. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | Polls are useful only if properly applied to supplement the lack of back bone.
In assuming that polls are the answer, remember:
Only a very small percentage of the users of this program ever read this forum and an even smaller percentage choose to participant. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I am saying that with a simple association system, James, no interface would be required as such and it would be invisible to the users, it would affect searches and that is all.
I'm just trying to understand what you are describing, so...are you saying that the program would automatically know how to make the associations or would users still make the associations either in their local or in the online? How would the distinction be made between Lon Chaney, Sr. and Jr. for example, in cases where they were both credited as Lon Chaney? James: It is a simple association Once I set up the association Lon Chaney=Lon Chaney Jr=Lon Chaney Jr.=Lon Chaney, Jr. with Documentation of course for Contribution purposes. No further action is required on my part, John's or yours(once you download the updated data) there is no change in the appearance of the data, in ANY way. The association has been made ando now no matter how you seach on Mr. Chaney, you will get the same set of data. If we find a new credit for the actor, that new entry is documented and added to the association...simple. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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You missed a key phrase in my comment, "in any way"
We still have 'As Credited' data, but it's entered together with the common name. Are you saying you want the program to look like it did before and have a separate interface to get into the linking?
One way you could do it is to add a checkbox for "Add to Alias File", and then the name that is different would be added to the record for that actor in the Alias database. When you save the Edit screen, if the checkbox is checked, a dialogue box pops up saying "Attach name to this record?" and have the other aliases shown so you can visually verify its the right list. Since this is supposed to be for lookup purposes only, all you need is the variable name and which movie that name is attached to for search purposes.
This is really just basic data error trapping, and shouldn't be that tough to set up. I've done similar in dBase IV years ago, and Delphi is a hell of a lot more powerful than dBase. Good description, john. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I am saying that with a simple association system, James, no interface would be required as such and it would be invisible to the users, it would affect searches and that is all.
I'm just trying to understand what you are describing, so...are you saying that the program would automatically know how to make the associations or would users still make the associations either in their local or in the online? How would the distinction be made between Lon Chaney, Sr. and Jr. for example, in cases where they were both credited as Lon Chaney? To follow up on my last post about the checkbox, and Skip's last on associations: Entering a cast list: 1. Enter "as credited" name 2. Enter "alias name" <> Add this Alias name to file. Now, when you save out of Edit mode, the flag set by the checkbox tells the program to read the Alias file, and it then opens a dialogue box showing any other alias names for that person, asking "Is this the correct name". If it is, you answer Yes, and it adds the new alias to the list. If you made a mistake, and answer no, it dumps the Alias name you entered and leaves just the "as credited" name. The advantage to this is that it is all beneath the hood, and doesn't propagate unwanted entries into other people's local database. A similar setup could be done for birthyear. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! | | | | Last edited: by Rifter |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Please explain how this will allow the two different Kevin Smith's to be associated only with their respective movies. Neither has any alias. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Please explain how this will allow the two different Kevin Smith's to be associated only with their respective movies. Neither has any alias. Hal: THAT is a totally different issue, this is about One Person/Many Names. You are referring to Many Persons/One Name. Stay on topic.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Please explain how this will allow the two different Kevin Smith's to be associated only with their respective movies. Neither has any alias. OK, so out of 50,000 actor names and aliases, you get a handful that have the same identical name. Add a middle initial, or some other arbitrary value to make them different. Call the young one Kevin "Silent Bob" Smith. Whatever. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Correct me if I am wrong but it looks as though you are suggesting something that is not part of the current program. From what I have read you are saying to Ken your way is better and he should abandon his way and revise his program to what you are suggesting.
If that is your suggestion then I am against this feature request. I would like to see us make the program work with the features Ken has given us WITHOUT making him go back to the drawing board and re-do the software.
EDIT : Directed at Skip's method of name linking not the moratorium in general | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
THAT is a totally different issue, this is about One Person/Many Names. You are referring to Many Persons/One Name. Stay on topic. The thread is about BY and common name, meaning it is about BOTH relationships. Don't leave out half of the topic. | | | | Matthias | | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Please explain how this will allow the two different Kevin Smith's to be associated only with their respective movies. Neither has any alias.
OK, so out of 50,000 actor names and aliases, you get a handful that have the same identical name. Add a middle initial, or some other arbitrary value to make them different. Call the young one Kevin "Silent Bob" Smith. Whatever. So you are suggesting that we "make up" a name for the second person? And who will be the arbiter of the "fake" name? You are complaining that Ken's solution is "not complete" but you casually dismiss the issue when a deficiency in your proposal is pointed out!  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Correct me if I am wrong but it looks as though you are suggesting something that is not part of the current program. From what I have read you are saying to Ken your way is better and he should abandon his way and revise his program to what you are suggesting.
If that is your suggestion then I am against this feature request. I would like to see us make the program work with the features Ken has given us WITHOUT making him go back to the drawing board and re-do the software.
EDIT : Directed at Skip's method of name linking not the moratorium in general Rick: I have said from the beginning that I believe a simple association is a better route to follow, that is nothing new. I have also said several times that that is just another programmer's opinion, and that if you lock two programmer's in a room they may well come up with diffrent approaches, as there is always more than one way to do almost ANYTHING. That said, let's take a look at why I think the simple association method is better. It is easy to implement, transparent to the user and should cause no isssues. What do we have now. A perfectly good system, that from the beginning has embroiled us in a discussion on the best way to implement a standard and we are no closer to that. From my viewpoint as another programmer, if I implement something that causes this kind of controversy, then I blew it and need to rethink it. But again that is just my opinion, and it is up to ken and i am waiting to see what our friend has up his sleeve. Since I have said this all numerous times, Rick. might I inquire as to the objective of your post, as if I didn't have a suspicion.  Does repeating it all contribute something new. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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