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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
In my opinion put TV genre on a TV series is stating the obvious... not that I would change it... as I said I feel it is important information. Just as I feel it is important information for a TV Movie as well...
If you look at 2 movie DVDs and 1 TV Series DVD.... it is obvious that the TV Series is a made for TV product... but it is not obvious that one of the 2 movies is a made for TV product. So it is giving us information that some people wouldn't automatically know. So that right there... in my opinion... is good reason for it. In my opinion it is good and accurate information that I feel is needed. I guess it's all about what you use the information for. If I look at a DVD and see it's a TV series, then yes, I don't need to be told that it's made for television. However, if I feel like watching a movie and filter out everything that is flagged Televison, because I don't want to watch a TV episode, then it's a whole different ball game. I certainly don't want to deprive anyone of information that they feel is important, but I'm still curious to know what practical use you have for the information that something was made for TV rather than for theatrical distribution. I guess I just don't see why one would want to have a TV movie marathon. I can understand other selection criteria, but using how the movie was intended to be distributed seems strange to me. But that's just me... | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Enry:
Again I have to ask, reliable to whom. I have a standing policy that I apply to my own database relative to the Online, I do NOT EVER change Genre (assuming all three boxes are filled) unless they are absolutely incorrect Family Affair-Science Fiction to use an extreme example. I will also NEVER re-order them. that has always been my policy and will continue to be out of respect to others in the community, the database does not HAVE to reflect my belief that Television should never be in the #1 slot. That is the intent of the Rule, IMNHO. I simply do not comprehend those who believe trhat the Online should reflect their own wants and desires, likes and dislikes. I will add data to an empty box, of course, if applicable, but there is nothing gained by setting up a situation that encourages ping-pong wars, as people battle over the Order or what the Genre is even if the existing data is already correct.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gunnar: I don't understand the concept of any kind of marathon, Horror, Christmas, whatever.<shrugs> But that is me.  Just because i don't understand it... Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | And that is just it... just because you don't understand the way someone does something that don't mean it isn't important information to some. Just like I said... from doing this I discovered that I really enjoy Made for TV Movies from the 70's... now if that information is not there I may not know it is a tv movie.
Matter of fact... I am about to start a marathon for this weekend in a little while. Not sure what I will do this weekend... but I love a good marathon. So I have them all the time... almost every weekend.
Why would I want to have a marathon of TV Movies?... depends on my mood... but one reason is.. it can throw together some titles that you may never think of throwing together for a themed marathon. And in my opinion that just makes it plain fun.
Why would I want to track such info... other then for my marathons... it is good accurate info that I may not normally know. I personally think that is enough reason right there. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | We have had this haggle before. Most then agreed that TV didn't really fit genre category. You can keep track of TV profile types with tags. That's what,I do.I have a tag for TV with child tags for the type of TV under it. All it takes is a little effort. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I use the television genre for anything that originated from TV, including TV movies.
I additionally use tags for TV series. | | | ...James
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Srehtims: Quote:
We have had this haggle before. Most then agreed that TV didn't really fit genre category. You can keep track of TV profile types with tags. That's what,I do.I have a tag for TV with child tags for the type of TV under it. All it takes is a little effort. I happen to have a pretty extensive TV section of tags... I have tags for TV Series, TV Movies, TV Mini-series.. as well as for Completed TV Series, Halloween Episodes and Christmas episodes (as I always do Halloween and Christmas Marathons)... makes for easier location. I agree that TV is more of a category then a genre... but that is currently listed in Genres... so that right there leads me to believe that is where Ken wants it as of now... and it should be used as far as the online database is concerned. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Again I have to ask, reliable to whom.
Well, if a movie or a show was made for television, that's a fact.   Speaking of Genres in general, I'll give you that different interpretations are sometimes possible, but in most cases there is a consensus on what the Genre is. So, I think we should either make that field strictly local (no online database entry), or leave it as it is but rely on users' consensus and votes. Quote:
I have a standing policy that I apply to my own database relative to the Online, I do NOT EVER change Genre (assuming all three boxes are filled) unless they are absolutely incorrect Family Affair-Science Fiction to use an extreme example.
I respect your choice, but like I said I don't see that the Rules compel you to that. A contribution of mine that changed the third entry in the Genres list (among other things) has just been approved, and it was not a "blatantly wrong" case. The other owners voted Yes, so I guess there will be no ping-pong on that. Quote:
I will also NEVER re-order them. [...] Neither will I. I am just not interested in the sorting order. Quote:
I simply do not comprehend those who believe trhat the Online should reflect their own wants and desires, likes and dislikes.
When we vote, it's not my belief or your belief, but the majority's belief. Why do we say a Comedy is a Comedy and a Drama is a Drama? Because most people think so. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
Question: Why is there not a pure HORROR genere? thats bloody strange in my book.
What do you mean? There is a Horror genre...  | | | Berak
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| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I use the television genre for anything that originated from TV, including TV movies.
I additionally use tags for TV series. Same here. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And that is just it... just because you don't understand the way someone does something that don't mean it isn't important information to some. Just like I said... from doing this I discovered that I really enjoy Made for TV Movies from the 70's... now if that information is not there I may not know it is a tv movie.
Matter of fact... I am about to start a marathon for this weekend in a little while. Not sure what I will do this weekend... but I love a good marathon. So I have them all the time... almost every weekend.
Why would I want to have a marathon of TV Movies?... depends on my mood... but one reason is.. it can throw together some titles that you may never think of throwing together for a themed marathon. And in my opinion that just makes it plain fun.
Why would I want to track such info... other then for my marathons... it is good accurate info that I may not normally know. I personally think that is enough reason right there. Like I said, I certainly don't want to deprive anyone of information that they feel is important. It just seemed to me that watching movies depending on their distribution system didn't seem to make much sense to me. Nor would a marathon of movies made by Warner Bros, a marathon of DVDs distributed by Image Entertainment or a marathon of DVDs in snappers. I never felt that movies made for TV were in any essential way different than (fairly low budget) movies made for theatrical distribution. Obviously you're of a different opinion, and I respect that. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Again I have to ask, reliable to whom.
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I have a standing policy that I apply to my own database relative to the Online, I do NOT EVER change Genre (assuming all three boxes are filled) unless they are absolutely incorrect Family Affair-Science Fiction to use an extreme example.
I respect your choice, but like I said I don't see that the Rules compel you to that.
A contribution of mine that changed the third entry in the Genres list (among other things) has just been approved, and it was not a "blatantly wrong" case. The other owners voted Yes, so I guess there will be no ping-pong on that.
What distresse me,Enry, and I don't mean to be argumentative, is that your very response suggests that if you can find a hole that allows you to put your PERSONAL stamp on the database you wiull do so. I see this all too frequently, and that is what I don't understand. Regardless of anything else try to keep in mind that the Rules were designed to minimize such activity, therefore i think you can derive the intent of that rule.
Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
Personally I don't use it for TV movies because there is no difference between a movie that is released in the cinema or on TV/DVD/Video first, except for Academay Award rules about Oscars.
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If you look at 2 movie DVDs and 1 TV Series DVD.... it is obvious that the TV Series is a made for TV product... but it is not obvious that one of the 2 movies is a made for TV product. So it is giving us information that some people wouldn't automatically know. So that right there... in my opinion... is good reason for it. In my opinion it is good and accurate information that I feel is needed.
I see what you're getting at but whilst it is accurate information I can't see the point to it... it's like noting whether the credits roll up the screen or down... why would you ever need to know/filter on that sort of information?
... and FWIW I read the 'don't change genres' sentence as "no, you can't change the genres just because you're doing an update of something else unless there's a good reason to change them" At least until recently, made for TV movies were also all in 1.33:1 aspect ration as well. Granted this is elsewhere in the profile, but the genre reinforces this. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: [...] Quote:
a hole that allows you to put your PERSONAL stamp I just try and do my best to understand and apply the Rules when I contribute to the Online db. Besides, like I said, I am glad when the majority has its say on what the Genres should be, not just one person. Is that my "personal stamp"? I don't think so. On the contrary, I think that your "no changes allowed" policy ends up putting a "personal stamp" on Genres. I don't mean your own personal stamp, Skip, but the personal stamp of one person: the first contributor, and that (according to you) can't be changed even if all the rest think that a different Genres list would be more spot on... or even if the first contributor changes his/her mind and everybody would like a change!  Quote:
Regardless of anything else try to keep in mind that the Rules were designed to minimize such activity, therefore i think you can derive the intent of that rule.
Skip Well, as to the intent of that rule, we can only speculate. I am just telling you what I read there. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Well, as to the intent of that rule, we can only speculate. I am just telling you what I read there. The 'intent', at least for most people I have talked to, is taken from the part of the rule that you left out: Genres are often a matter of personal interpretation, which can differ among users. If your personal preference for Genre differs from the main database, you can store the information you prefer in your local database and lock the Genre field from further updates.That, combined with the rest of the rule, gives an indication that Genres shouldn't be changed unless they are blatantly wrong. Your mileage, of course, will vary. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Very few of my genres match the online db - mainly as I disagree with other peoples interpretations. Many of my local genres do not match the online genres either. Mainly because I've replaced Accessories, Classic and Special Interest with Biography, Crime and Mystery in my local translation. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
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