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Jane Fonda Uses the C-Word on 'Today'
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Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) forbids the use of this word (and a number of other words) on the PUBLIC airways in the U.S.
Whether you agree that they should or not is irrelevant. They are forbidden.

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Parents have the ability to block this kind of language if they so choose when it is on cable or satellite. There is an expectation that they do not have to monitor network television because certain rules are in place.....for everyone except Hanoi Jane apparently.


The point is that she illegally used a bad word on TV. Got it.

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The fact that she will not be held personally liable by the FCC is completely beside the point!


The fact that she is not responsible for what the TV station broadcasts, and committed no crime, is beside the point.

Well, that makes perfect sense to me.
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I don't agree that the FCC's stance on this is irrevelant. The only reason it is 'news' (if you can call it that) is because the FCC forbids it. In the context of the transcript, I don't beleive the word is a dirty word. She was asked a question about 'The Vagina Monologues' (will edit the word if people feel it is inappropriate to post) and she responded with her reason, a specific monologue she was asked to do, and the title of that monologue happened to be the naughty word. I'm sure she didn't even realize that she said one of the '7 dirty words you can't say on tv' (spot the reference) until after she had completed her sentance, if that.
-Agrare

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If she had used the title as you quoted above, there would not have been a story.

But she didn't.  She deliberately used the C-word instead.  I don't believe for a minute that (a) it was a mistake or (b) she did not know it was on the "list" or (c) she didn't know there is no delay used on the show.


did you read the article? look at the transcript from the show. 'The Vagina Monologues' is a play. This play consists of multiple monologues. She was asked to do a monologue for this play. the title of the monologue she was asked to read was said c-word.

-Agrare


I read the article...I looked at the transcript from the show....I know all about
"The Vagina Monologues".

So what?  She did not have to use the C-word on daytime, network TV.  She chose to.  Even though she knew it was against FCC Rules and worse yet not giving a damn if children would be listening..
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Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) forbids the use of this word (and a number of other words) on the PUBLIC airways in the U.S.
Whether you agree that they should or not is irrelevant. They are forbidden.

...

Parents have the ability to block this kind of language if they so choose when it is on cable or satellite. There is an expectation that they do not have to monitor network television because certain rules are in place.....for everyone except Hanoi Jane apparently.


The point is that she illegally used a bad word on TV. Got it.

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The fact that she will not be held personally liable by the FCC is completely beside the point!


The fact that she is not responsible for what the TV station broadcasts, and committed no crime, is beside the point.

Well, that makes perfect sense to me.


You can't really be so dense as not to understand the difference between what is illegal for the broadcaster and what is inappropriate for the guest?  There is an understanding that when a guest appears on network TV that they will abide by the FCC rules!  I never said that what she did was illegal.

The broadcaster would not need to prevent something from getting out on the airways if , in this case, the guest had not uttered it to begin with.
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I think a lot of us who don't live in the US have a hard time understanding what the big deal is.

If someone had said the corresponding word on TV here in Sweden, hardly anybody would even lift an eyebrow. So what if children happen to hear her mention that word? You think they don't hear it anyway? Or if somebody shows a naked breast on national television? It's not like children have never been exposed to a naked breast... 
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I think a lot of us who don't live in the US have a hard time understanding what the big deal is.

If someone had said the corresponding word on TV here in Sweden, hardly anybody would even lift an eyebrow. So what if children happen to hear her mention that word? You think they don't hear it anyway? Or if somebody shows a naked breast on national television? It's not like children have never been exposed to a naked breast... 


You have your culture and you're welcome to it.

You're argument is that because it's OK in Sweden, it's OK everywhere? 

It's OK to engage in "honor killings" in Afghanistan.  I have a feeling they will always be illegal here in the U.S.

Please do not try to force your loose mores on the rest of us, thank you very much.
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You can't really be so dense as not to understand the difference between what is illegal for the broadcaster and what is inappropriate for the guest?  There is an understanding that when a guest appears on network TV that they will abide by the FCC rules!  I never said that what she did was illegal.


Yes, you did. You said (correctly) that it was forbidden by the FCC. Not complying with FCC regulations is a criminal offence. Therefore, to say that something is forbidden is to say that it's illegal.

Besides, if you didn't intend to say that is was illegal, then "forbidden" was too strong a word. You would no doubt have chosen "discouraged" or some such instead.

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The broadcaster would not need to prevent something from getting out on the airways if , in this case, the guest had not uttered it to begin with.


Right. Everyone should always be on their best behaviour around TV cameras so that the broadcaster never needs to make a decision about whether or not it would be in good taste for them to broadcast something.

I agree that people should be well-behaved and polite as a matter of course, but I don't believe that that principle can excuse the broadcasters of all responsibility as to what they broadcast.
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So what?  She did not have to use the C-word on daytime, network TV.  She chose to.  Even though she knew it was against FCC Rules and worse yet not giving a damn if children would be listening..


And again you miss the entire point of my first post. It was the title of a monologue. She wasn't using it in a negative manner. She was simply stating a title. If someone asked you during a live tv interview what your favorite movie was, and the movie title contained the F-word, there is a very good chance you are just going to blurt out the title and not realize that you will be saying a 'forbidden' word until after you said it.

Further, to accuse someone of having loose morals because they don't find a female breast to be offensive is kind of harsh. GSyren never said that because its ok in Sweden its ok in the US. He said that people from other cultures just don't understand why its a big deal because of the difference in culture. He wasn't trying to enforce his morals on anyone. I'll pose a question to you, why is it that his morals are loose and not that yours are tight/strict?

As wintermute said, they should be on their best behaviour, but my argument is that with the context the word was used it, it could very easliy have been an honest mistake that she didn't even realize until after the fact.

As George Carlin says in his skit, '7 dirty words you cant use on tv'. "How come its ok to prick your finger but not to finger your prick" or something to that effect.

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I think a lot of us who don't live in the US have a hard time understanding what the big deal is.

If someone had said the corresponding word on TV here in Sweden, hardly anybody would even lift an eyebrow. So what if children happen to hear her mention that word? You think they don't hear it anyway? Or if somebody shows a naked breast on national television? It's not like children have never been exposed to a naked breast... 


You have your culture and you're welcome to it.

You're argument is that because it's OK in Sweden, it's OK everywhere? 

It's OK to engage in "honor killings" in Afghanistan.  I have a feeling they will always be illegal here in the U.S.

Please do not try to force your loose mores on the rest of us, thank you very much.

Nice argument, Hal!

All I was saying is that we don't see what the fuzz is. Perhaps you could try to enlighten us rather than comparing it to murder?
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I don't agree that the FCC's stance on this is irrevelant. The only reason it is 'news' (if you can call it that) is because the FCC forbids it. In the context of the transcript, I don't beleive the word is a dirty word. She was asked a question about 'The Vagina Monologues' (will edit the word if people feel it is inappropriate to post) and she responded with her reason, a specific monologue she was asked to do, and the title of that monologue happened to be the naughty word. I'm sure she didn't even realize that she said one of the '7 dirty words you can't say on tv' (spot the reference) until after she had completed her sentance, if that.

I could go into detail on my personal views of 'dirty words' but i'll leave that for another time (if you get the above reference, i think you'll be able to mostly figure it out)

-Agrare

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Politics aside, I agree.  In the context of the interview, it was a perfectly valid statement.  I doubt she did it on purpose.  I can't tell you how many times I have answered a question, 'off the cuff', only to realize that the answer probably wasn't appropriate for mixed company.  It happens.

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What an absolute nothing to both report and to post here.  What is the point, except to get comments such as 8Ballmax's and Hal's?  Lets be a little more grown up.


If I were grown up I would not be collecting all these shiny little discs.

At least she knows who and what she is.
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If I were grown up I would not be collecting all these shiny little discs.


Why not?
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Exactly the same thing happened over here on a daytime programme called "This Morning", Caprice was being interviewed because she was doing the same monologue on the London stage and she referred to it by name. The presenters didn't even notice at the time because they were simply talking about the play.
My opinion, no big deal. In the context of the conversation it was a perfectly understandable use of the word.
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Yippy!!! I got my first negative! . Thanks to whoever it the was that gave it to me ...although I'm pretty sure who he was .


Welcome to the club!    Anyway, I don't see a posting of you what deserves a red one - not even an orange. 
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Yippy!!! I got my first negative! . Thanks to whoever it the was that gave it to me ...although I'm pretty sure who he was .


Welcome to the club!    Anyway, I don't see a posting of you what deserves a red one - not even an orange. 


Ahhh...thanks . I'm not sweating it though. I'll consider it a badge of honor for pointing out just what a dispicable woman she is, IMO of course.
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Nice argument, Hal!

All I was saying is that we don't see what the fuzz is. Perhaps you could try to enlighten us rather than comparing it to murder?


If you think I was comparing, or equating it to murder, then you do not understand the use of analogy!   

Just because something is socially acceptable where you happen to be, does not make it right, or that it should be universally socially acceptable.

I've said all I'm going to on this subject!
Hal
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