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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
The main reason I create multiple profiles in these cases is so I can track when I watch each individual version. You might choose to rate them differently as well if you use that feature. Obviously it would also be nice to know the exact runtime for each version as well. Agreed! I have encountered examples which had different audio tracks and subtitles as well. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim:
Just a question, is that enough to justify all the trouble of setting up separate profiles Online? It still seems a local issue to me, and i can certainly understand why one might wish to do that locally. This has far-reaching impact, there are two-disc sets where WS is on one disc and Full Frame(or P&S) on the other.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the Uk this is common practice to release a WS and a FS separate. Diiferent cut = another movie. Same as TLOR movies, we have also different profiles for those. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Tim:
Just a question, is that enough to justify all the trouble of setting up separate profiles Online? It still seems a local issue to me, and i can certainly understand why one might wish to do that locally. This has far-reaching impact, there are two-disc sets where WS is on one disc and Full Frame(or P&S) on the other.
Skip I see your point, but I see Mark's as well. I have a few of such sets, and Mark is right: I want to be able to track which one I've watched, and in my case (probably more likely in R2 than it is in R1), it's not the just the running time, but also the audio tracks and subtitles that are different. Those difference simply can't be joined together in a single profile. Sure, this could be kept local, but rather than leaving everyone who feels this way to create a profile from scratch, I see little harm in contribution this for the advantage of others - those who don't like it don't have to use it. We just need solid rules on whether to set such packages up as box sets, or whether to attach one of them as a child - and in that case, we we'd also need to try and define a rule that says which one should be the the child. And maybe indeed some form of exception for those sets where the only difference is widescreen vs. full-frame - that's the ONE example in which I personally wouldn't create separate profiles, because I would, again personally, only ever watch the widescreen one. But I don't believe that I own such a set - only dual-sided ones, and I've never seen or created separate profiles for those... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another good example would be the Blader runner 5 disc set. I hold details for all 5 discs locally.. | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
Another good example would be the Blader runner 5 disc set. I hold details for all 5 discs locally.. wich one?Blade Runner (5-Disc Complete Collector's Edition) The Final Cut (5-Disc Ultimate) DVD, HD DVD or Blu-Ray  Why keep them local? If dvd, did you already test the disc-id for presence in the online? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim: That is not somethingyou setup an exception for. We handle things consistently, so iIF we are to do it as mark suggests then consistency dictates that the WS/FF's be handled in the same manner. For one thing , if we didn't at some point there would be more fights...trust me.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, you say you don't know how to justify it. Here's how. Ken has the database space and the second profile is completely optional. So why not? It doesn't hurt those who don't want them and benefits those who do. Can you think of any benefits for NOT creating the second profile? If not, then it seems to be an easy answer. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am simply looking at a bunch of duplicated data, in some cases FIVE times, Mark and it seems rather foolsih. But...who knows. It seems like an inelegant solution at best, but probably the BEST ideas would involve a change on ken's side of the equation.<shrugs> Storage spoace isn't the issue either, Mark, we are talking about largely text which doesn't absorb that much. And if I can deal with going on 11GB for a backup, a few more MB isn't going to mean much. I'm just not sure for the relatively insignificant differences, that it's worth the effort. I know insignificant differences is a value judgement on my part. But as I said IF we go that way, that will have to include even the WS/FF 2 Disc sets. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the key to this whole thing that you seem to be missing is that you don't have to touch EVERY profile out there Skip.  If you don't want these extra profiles, don't download them and don't worry about their content. Then you don't have to worry about keeping their content in sync with any other profiles. These are optional profiles. They don't have to be created. I add them as I run across them (In Old Chicago, The Sand Pebble, Cinema Paradiso, etc.). For example, you mention discs that contain both the widescreen and full screen versions. That's where I draw my own line. I have no desire to have those profiles, so if they existed, I'd ignore them. If they're not part of my collection, then I don't really care. But I do like tracking multiple versions and I have yet to hear a valid argument against them. I'll continue to create them and submit them. And so far I've had great luck in them being accepted, so Ken/Gerri don't seem to mind either. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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But as I said IF we go that way, that will have to include even the WS/FF 2 Disc sets. Actually, it won't. We are able to indicate WS/FF for the same profile. What I mean is, we can select both options. If Ken added an option to do this for runtime as well, a bonus profile wouldn't be needed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, Unicus, I don't buy it for consistency sake. If runtime is important enough to set up a separate profile, or Audio differences or subs, then so is the video data. Not even to mention the built-in inconsistency of if this then that, or if that then this. Uh uh
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe the "Bonus Feature Film" rule should apply this way it doesn't effect the main profile but, still allows the other film to be profiled for those who want a profile for this version. Quote:
Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.
Create the profile for the main feature in line with the standard Contribution Rules with the title of the Bonus Feature Film added to the Other Features field. Create a child profile for the "Bonus Feature Film" using the individual UPC if available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not available. When creating a child profile, do not remove the "Bonus Feature Film" Disc ID from the main profile. When profiling the "Bonus Feature Film", only profile the data associated with that film. Any features associated with the Main Feature belong to the Main Feature profile. Add the additional profile to the Main Profile as a child profile via the Box Set button. Cover Images: Use the cover image from the Main Feature profile's packaging. Exception: If the "Bonus Feature Film" is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Sorry, Unicus, I don't buy it for consistency sake. If runtime is important enough to set up a separate profile, or Audio differences or subs, then so is the video data. Not even to mention the built-in inconsistency of if this then that, or if that then this. Uh uh Your willingness to purchase is a non-issue. We do many things that are not consistent. Why should this be any different?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Maybe the "Bonus Feature Film" rule should apply this way it doesn't effect the main profile but, still allows the other film to be profiled for those who want a profile for this version. As I said earlier, and a few others seemed to agree, I have no problem with someone creating a 'bonus film' profile. My only issue is that the main profile reflect the main feature on the first disc. That is what I believe the rules require. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus: NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!That only winds up causing more arguments and confusion among users.IF we implement something like this then it applies in ALL cases not in SOME of them. Maybe you are willing to settle for less than the best, I am NOT and will NOT. Your willingness to settle for less is a non-issue. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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