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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'll agree with that assessment, Patsa, however I will urge caution, each Studio is different and must be evaluated on it's own.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
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I think distributor is locality bound:
N = Scanbox Norway
SE = Scanbox Sweden
FIN = Scanbox Finland
you're seeing problems where there are no problems.
No it isn't, often it's the same for the whole of Scandinavia, which of course doesn't exist as a locality anymore than Europe or North America does. Scanbox Entertainment works for all these localiities, unlike what you propose. Including a country identifier adds nothing of value, just like we don't include AB in the company name (same as Ltd.) If you look at the company homepage, you will see the local offices listed under "departments" with no unique names attached to them. Do we add departments now? I think not... If you go T!M's way, the Scanbox drops out of the picture = US distributor (see paramount example) Another question Distributor entry: How many entries 1,2 or 3? How many possibilities are there for distributors? US, International, Regional, Local ...? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I'll agree with that assessment, Patsa, however I will urge caution, each Studio is different and must be evaluated on it's own.
I agree that we have to be carefull with this one. What I'm suggesting here is that we should drop the country indicator when it only tells us that the local distributor is a branch office of some bigger multinational distribution company. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
What I'm suggesting here is that we should drop the country indicator when it only tells us that the local distributor is a branch office of some bigger multinational distribution company. Exactly! | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote:
So what you are saying we add the original distributor, not the actual distributor? What if e.g. Paramount sells the distribution rights to another company here, do we still add Paramount? Of course, we don't change SRPs eather when the price drops down during the time. Quote:
What if e.g. Paramount sells the distribution rights to another company here, do we still add Paramount? Same as with the SRPs, we profile, release date distributor and leave it there no matter what happens in future. Are you suggesting that we should start to change all Buena Vista Home Entertainment entries to Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment? If I got you correct, you've gotta be kidding... |
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 | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is - in my honest opinion - only one way to enter distributing companies, and that is WITH country/locality info.! There is NOTHING in the rules suggesting that we leave out country/locality information from the studios as T!M suggest. That being said - it is very rare (at least with the profiles I have updated) that we even get to add the distributing companies name - usually the 3 fields are taken with production companies and Theatrical release studos. BUT - in the event that the third field should be open - we should enter it AS CREDITED!Again - this is my personal preference, and according to the rules as I interpret them, so please don't go insane if you disagree!    | | | Berak
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
If you go T!M's way, the Scanbox drops out of the picture = US distributor (see paramount example) I'm really not sure what you mean, but I am pretty sure that you don't understand what I meant...  I certainly wasn't saying that Scanbox should "drop out of the picture" - I was just saying that we should use ONE name for each local branch of that company instead of incorporating the locality of the profile into the distributor field. That's all. It may be worth pointing out that this is nothing new: it's exactly what 90 to 95% of the community have been doing for years. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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Tim, have you taken to speaking for Ken. Who is we, or are you referring to YOU.
Skip
Turnabout is fair play.
Skip Skip, it was perfectly clear that Tim wasn't suggesting he was talking for Ken. The 'we' was that he was agreeing with others in this thread. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
That being said - it is very rare (at least with the profiles I have updated) that we even get to add the distributing companies name - usually the 3 fields are taken with production companies and Theatrical release studos. : After 3.5 is out, this will change Quote:
BUT - in the event that the third field should be open - we should enter it AS CREDITED!
I think this is a worst we can do if we wan't data that woud have some USE too. I have DVDs where distributor in backcover is eather: Scanbox Scanbox Entertainment Scanbox Finland Scanbox Entertainment Finland Do we really want a common name field for distribution companies so that we could actually use that data somehow, I think nobody want's to go there... Another issue is that if we take 'em as credited, then, credited where? I remember at least one example where back cover says Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment, but when I put the DVD in player, first screen is a logo with text Buena Vista Home Entertainment after that starts the copyright warnings where it's again Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
It may be worth pointing out that this is nothing new: it's exactly what 90 to 95% of the community have been doing for years. I started to do some pre-3.5 work in my local database and noticed that at least Finnish profiles are one big mess what comes to distributor. That's why I opened this thread. It would be nice to hear Ken's thoughts about this matter too. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
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I'll agree with that assessment, Patsa, however I will urge caution, each Studio is different and must be evaluated on it's own.
I agree that we have to be carefull with this one. What I'm suggesting here is that we should drop the country indicator when it only tells us that the local distributor is a branch office of some bigger multinational distribution company. My point Kulju, is that may NOT be UNIVERSALLY true, which is why I urge caution. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
I think this is a worst we can do if we wan't data that woud have some USE too. I have DVDs where distributor in backcover is eather:
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
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Tim, have you taken to speaking for Ken. Who is we, or are you referring to YOU.
Skip
Turnabout is fair play.
Skip
Skip, it was perfectly clear that Tim wasn't suggesting he was talking for Ken. The 'we' was that he was agreeing with others in this thread. Why should i cut Tim any slack, pauls? as I said turnabout is fair play. He edeserves exactly the same abuse which has been heaped upon me for such comments...unless we are talking about hypocrisy. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
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That being said - it is very rare (at least with the profiles I have updated) that we even get to add the distributing companies name - usually the 3 fields are taken with production companies and Theatrical release studos. :
After 3.5 is out, this will change
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BUT - in the event that the third field should be open - we should enter it AS CREDITED!
I think this is a worst we can do if we wan't data that woud have some USE too. I have DVDs where distributor in backcover is eather:
Scanbox
Scanbox Entertainment
Scanbox Finland
Scanbox Entertainment Finland
Do we really want a common name field for distribution companies so that we could actually use that data somehow, I think nobody want's to go there...
Another issue is that if we take 'em as credited, then, credited where? I remember at least one example where back cover says Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment, but when I put the DVD in player, first screen is a logo with text Buena Vista Home Entertainment after that starts the copyright warnings where it's again Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment. You lost me somewhere in between 'Walt Disney' and 'Buena Vista'. My point is (and will remain) that the distribution company should be as credited. All the Scandinavian releases I have seen so far has "NORDIC" in the distributor field (not Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish or Danish), so I don't see the problem entering it as credited! | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
You lost me somewhere in between 'Walt Disney' and 'Buena Vista'. ! At the moment rules doesn't say where to take the distribution studio. If we have a release where we have conflicting data, how do we know which one to use. Quote:
All the Scandinavian releases I have seen so far has "NORDIC" in the distributor field (not Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish or Danish), so I don't see the problem entering it as credited! Can you give me some examples from your collection since I could not find any? On the otherhand I found couple of (for example) Warner Bros. Entertainment Norge (We Own the night). I also ran a query to my own titles and didn't find any distributors with word "NORDIC". In this case you lost me... |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
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