Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next
Distributor with Locality suffix
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,738
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting whispering:
Quote:
You seem to imply that we should get rid of distributors all together?

Certainly not!

Quote:
If i filter by Universal Pictures, what results will i get? Thats right, the studio.

If that's true, then that is simply a filter problem that Ken needs to fix. We need to be able to do a separate filter on the distributor field. However, I think you'll find that Universal is about the only example out there using the same name for both branches (in R2 localties, that is). You've managed to pick the ONE slightly difficult example. This issue was already acknowledged in the the rules committee forum thread:

Quoting hydr0x:
Quote:
Only because Ken hasn't split up both databases which is a huge error imho and has been requested several times. This should not make us artificially search for workarounds though.
 Last edited: by T!M
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
Contributor since 2002
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Sweden Posts: 3,197
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Technically then we should have a different theatrical distributor for every country, if we want to bloat the database with more useless information. I just read that Sony Pictures theatrical films will be distributed by Buena Vista in Sweden. So Buena Vista would be the first studio mentioned in the next James Bond profile... I can't wait! 
First registered: February 15, 2002
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
On ne passe pas!
Registered: March 13, 2007
Finland Posts: 1,380
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting T!M:
Quote:
If that's true, then that is simply a filter problem that Ken needs to fix. We need to be able to do a separate filter on the distributor field. However, I think you'll find that Universal is about the only example out there using the same name for both branches (in R2 localties, that is). You've managed to pick the ONE slightly difficult example. This issue was already acknowledged in the the rules committee forum thread:


I think you are fundamentally wrong in this one. The whole purpose of a Database is to input as accurate data as possible (changing company names, which it really is, is not accurate. No matter how convinient you make it sound). When the data is added to the database, you choose from the Program how you wish to handle that data. If you wish to group certain studios, you make a Studio group (or something along those lines) that gives the data to you in the form you wish. You do not corrupt the database with incorrect data. We didnt do it with cast and crew, and hopefully we dont do it with Studios either.
 Last edited: by whispering
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,738
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting whispering:
Quote:
I think you are fundamentally wrong in this one.

Well, I think you are. Again: it's the exact same thing as leaving out the company identifiers. Of course it can be argued that they're part of the "official" or "legal" name as well. Yet we don't enter them. This is the exact same thing. A Paramount Home Entertainment DVD from Finland is just as much a Paramount Home Entertainment DVD as a Paramount Home Entertainment DVD from the U.K. A duck is a duck is a duck. Neither a company identifier nor a locality suffix changes anything about that.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
On ne passe pas!
Registered: March 13, 2007
Finland Posts: 1,380
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting T!M:
Quote:
Quoting whispering:
Quote:
I think you are fundamentally wrong in this one.

Well, I think you are. Again: it's the exact same thing as leaving out the company identifiers. Of course it can be argued that they're part of the "official" or "legal" name as well. Yet we don't enter them. This is the exact same thing. A Paramount Home Entertainment DVD from Finland is just as much a Paramount Home Entertainment DVD as a Paramount Home Entertainment DVD from the U.K. A duck is a duck is a duck. Neither a company identifier nor a locality suffix changes anything about that.


Except that the movie is distributed and localized here by the Finnish company, not the UK company. And that is what the distributor does. So the only similarities can be found in their name and catalogue.

These effect everyone regardless of locality:
Universal Studios
Universal Family & Home Ent.
Universal International
Universal Pictures
Universal Television
Universal Studios Family Productions
Universal Home Entertainment Productions

Yet you think adding few distributers with incorrect names is gonna solve something? Again this is not a problem in the data, but how the program handles the data. If you NEED to get the data in a certain form, theres a feature request area.
 Last edited: by whispering
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Since virtually 100% of the DVDs in my collection are R1 US Locality discs, I don't have a strong feeling about this issue.  I do feel sorry for people whose collections cross many localities, however.  It's bad enough having to cope with the companies mentioned in whispering's post

Quote:
Universal Studios
Universal Family & Home Ent.
Universal International
Universal Pictures
Universal Television
Universal Studios Family Productions
Universal Home Entertainment Productions


without having a similar list for each locality (UK, Finland, Sweden, Germany, etc.) from which I would own DVDs.
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
On ne passe pas!
Registered: March 13, 2007
Finland Posts: 1,380
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting kdh1949:
Quote:
Since virtually 100% of the DVDs in my collection are R1 US Locality discs, I don't have a strong feeling about this issue.  I do feel sorry for people whose collections cross many localities, however.


I have DVD's from probably about 6 localities, the distributors have never been a problem for me. I dont have massive lists of distributors or anything like that. To me it seems ilke this is more an esthetic request then a real need. I dont see any Problem to be solved, we have many small distributors that belong to bigger parent companys, but why is that a problem?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
Registered: March 14, 2007
Finland Posts: 2,337
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting whispering:
Quote:
If i filter by Universal Pictures, what results will i get? Thats right, the studio.


Not anymore    We have a separate filter now. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 6,018
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Great! Thanks, Ken! 

P.S.
My main concern with regard to the original issue is consistency. I've seen many contributions both with and without the locality suffix. This needs addressing in the rules, IMHO, so it will be clear for everyone.
 Last edited: by dee1959jay
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
On ne passe pas!
Registered: March 13, 2007
Finland Posts: 1,380
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting dee1959jay:
Quote:
P.S.
My main concern with regard to the original issue is consistency. I've seen many contributions both with and without the locality suffix. This needs addressing in the rules, IMHO, so it will be clear for everyone.


If you dont have access to the rules committee, and dont wish the ask for it:
http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/rulespending.aspx?display=viewall
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 6,018
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I asked for access earlier this afternoon. Didn´t bother earlier on, because from what I could gather there wasn't too much going on in there.

Many thanks for the "sneak preview"! I'm happy the issue has been identified and addressed! 
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next