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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | My take on this is this: The info for each profile should represent the release as close as possible, anything that don't meet our preferences should only be adjusted locally. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting RaymondG:
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I was wondering about something -->
Publishers seem to use some varieties for their firmnames. For example:
RCV Entertainment (by far the most have that named as publisher / distributor)
RCV Sell Thru Entertainment (Some of the DVD's have this on the backcover)
Personally, I think we should use the common denominator for these instances and use RCV entertainment for all RCV products.
If we don't the field wil become kind of useless for statistic and filtering purposes; if you forget one variation in your filter / statistic the results will be awkward to say the least.
As long as we don't have a reference table to link all these variations to it's origin (in this case RCV) it will all become a blurry mess of publishers.
Any thoughts on this?
Locally I prefer just one name for a publisher. But in the database we just use the info taken from the release itself. The rules clearly state:
"Enter the DVD publishing company which is usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits." http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=filmdetails
First of all the disc credits should only be used when there's no credit on the back cover at all.
Secondly, the publisher's name should be taken from the copyright notice: "usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box."
In all the RCV DVD releases I own this company is credited on the cover as RCV Entertainment or as RCV Sell Thru Entertainment (with in front of the credit Distributie: ).
Maybe we should make a poll out of this? Then be consistent and DO NOT trim off the locality suffix. This is a clear and fine example of measuring with two measures. Why did we decide to trim off the locality suffix anyway? Right, to make the publisherpool more homogenous. My proposal has the same goal so I really cannot see why anyone would object against it, lest he is also against removing the locaity suffix ofcourse.  | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting DarklyNoon:
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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RCV nl:
RCV Film Distribution
RCV Rental
RCV Sell Thru
RCV Support
RCV 2001
Are all divisions of RCV Entertainment B.V.
I completely agree with GIGA here, it clearly states that all this is RCV Entertainment, so nothing else should be used in the Publisher field. Makes no sense to use one million different entries for what is CLEARLY one company.
As another user also stated, would be a mess with filtering too.
I am kinda sure that the vast majority here would agree with this.
cheers
Donnie
We enter different entries, for divisions of the same company, all the time...
The Walt Disney Company:
Walt Disney Pictures
Touchstone Pictures
Hollywood Pictures
Miramax Films
Miramax Family Films
Dimension Films
Walt Disney Animation Studios
Pixar Animation Studios
DisneyToon Studios
Sony:
Columbia Pictures
TriStar Pictures
Sony Pictures Classics
Screen Gems
Triumph Films
Destination Films
Sony Pictures Animation
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures, Inc.
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Animation
United Artists Entertainment, LLC
The Samuel Goldwyn Company
Orion Pictures Corporation
I could go on as most film studios are divisions of a parent company. Why should this be any different? Because it shares a partial name? Sorry, but we need to be consistent with our data. The rule for studios calls for a 'correct' name, not a 'common' name. Those are two competely different concepts...in my opinion, anyway. There IS a difference Unicus. All these variations are seperate companies, albeit financially owned by one umbrella corporation. It really is not on the same level as a sub-division of one such company. Nontheless, consistency is what I am after is this matter: if we want to adhere to strict data, then please DO NOT leave out N.V, B.V, Benelux suffixes etc because we also do not know why these were put there in the first place (to follow Skip's logic in this). | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Raymond:
I am sorry there is no difference, the difference is your perception of the data. If you want to use some sort of Common Name in YOUR loacl database, be my guest, no one is going to tell you not to, that is YOUR choice and local is where it belongs. The Online is entirely different and is not subject to user preference we enter the data as it is and as i have explained.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
There IS a difference Unicus. All these variations are seperate companies, albeit financially owned by one umbrella corporation. It really is not on the same level as a sub-division of one such company. I am sorry, but it is the same exact thing. Whether or not the company created, by splitting off part of itselg, or purchased the divisions shouldn't matter. We should be consistent. If we want the parent company, then it should be the parent company across the board. Having parent company in some cases, and the division name in others, just makes it more complicated. Quote:
Nontheless, consistency is what I am after is this matter: if we want to adhere to strict data, then please DO NOT leave out N.V, B.V, Benelux suffixes etc because we also do not know why these were put there in the first place (to follow Skip's logic in this). You are correct, but that ship has already sailed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
My take on this is this: The info for each profile should represent the release as close as possible, anything that don't meet our preferences should only be adjusted locally.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Couldn't we say the solution is in the difference between "publisher" and "distributor" field...? Maybe a few of those RCV DVD's were distributed by "RCV Sell Thru Entertainment", but they were all published by "RCV Entertainment". How's that?  |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Couldn't we say the solution is in the difference between "publisher" and "distributor" field...? Maybe a few of those RCV DVD's were distributed by "RCV Sell Thru Entertainment", but they were all published by "RCV Entertainment". How's that? that's an angle to this entire issue I hadn't even considered yet but yes, you are absolutely RIGHT and in my opinion solves the issue at hand entirely. The publisher (editiing, putting the film to DVD etc) is all done by RCV ENTERTAINMENT. Distributing is, in some cases, done by the Sell Thru division. Since the field is called publisher it should contain RCV entertainment. :-) | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Couldn't we say the solution is in the difference between "publisher" and "distributor" field...? Maybe a few of those RCV DVD's were distributed by "RCV Sell Thru Entertainment", but they were all published by "RCV Entertainment". How's that? The students are becoming the masters. It's enought to make a parser cry.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
that's an angle to this entire issue I hadn't even considered yet but yes, you are absolutely RIGHT and in my opinion solves the issue at hand entirely.
The publisher (editiing, putting the film to DVD etc) is all done by RCV ENTERTAINMENT. Distributing is, in some cases, done by the Sell Thru division. Since the field is called publisher it should contain RCV entertainment. :-) There we go: case closed! I knew this whole thing had to be good for something! I'm glad to report that I'm already seeing a wave of these "distributor to publisher" corrections to the affected RCV-DVD's - and no, not by myself. It is, once again, important to realize that what 99% of the userbase wants is in stark contrast to what the other 1% keeps expressing - it's just that the 1% tends to be pretty vocal about it. And hardly a single one of them even actually owns a Dutch RCV-DVD... In reality, among the actual userbase, the people that own a batch of these DVD's, there practically isn't anyone interested in recording the difference between "RCV Entertainment" and "RCV Sell-Thru" entertainment: they're all RCV-DVD's, all with the exact same logo on them, all from the same EAN-range, all showing you the same animated vignette on the screen when you put in the disc. I repeat: they're all RCV-DVD's, published by one and the same company. And the rules-prescribed "correct name" for that company is, per their own website, "RCV Entertainment". So that's what should be used - it really is that simple. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That may or may NOT be the answer, I don't have enough information for that answer. Tim. It may be. I would have to see some back covers for this company. This could be the answer if both sets of data are present on the back cover, but it is NOT the answer if it is dependent on data NOT present on the back cover, but instead on data from somewhere else.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That may or may NOT be the answer, I don't have enough information for that answer. Tim. It may be. I would have to see some back covers for this company. This could be the answer if both sets of data are present on the back cover, but it is NOT the answer if it is dependent on data NOT present on the back cover, but instead on data from somewhere else.
Skip Skip, the 2 names that are always mentioned on the backcover are: - RCV as publisher (authoring, artwork, design etc) - RCV entertainment (99% of the cases) or RCV Sell Thru Entertainment (1% of the cases) as distributor We do however know that RCV refers to themselves as RCV entertainment when it comes to publishing DVD's... If we were to enter the data "as credited" it should be nothing more then "RCV" since that name is also visible on-screen. RCV Entertainment is fictional in the case of RCV Sell Thru Entertainment and RCV entertainment, when available on the cover, refers only to the distributor - according to the DVD cover. So if we were to be strict, we need to enter "RCV" and thats it. | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? | | | | Last edited: by RaymondG |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Without seeing any back covers, just going by your description, I would be inclined to agree with you.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting RaymondG:
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that's an angle to this entire issue I hadn't even considered yet but yes, you are absolutely RIGHT and in my opinion solves the issue at hand entirely.
The publisher (editiing, putting the film to DVD etc) is all done by RCV ENTERTAINMENT. Distributing is, in some cases, done by the Sell Thru division. Since the field is called publisher it should contain RCV entertainment. :-)
There we go: case closed! I knew this whole thing had to be good for something!
I'm glad to report that I'm already seeing a wave of these "distributor to publisher" corrections to the affected RCV-DVD's - and no, not by myself. It is, once again, important to realize that what 99% of the userbase wants is in stark contrast to what the other 1% keeps expressing - it's just that the 1% tends to be pretty vocal about it. And hardly a single one of them even actually owns a Dutch RCV-DVD... In reality, among the actual userbase, the people that own a batch of these DVD's, there practically isn't anyone interested in recording the difference between "RCV Entertainment" and "RCV Sell-Thru" entertainment: they're all RCV-DVD's, all with the exact same logo on them, all from the same EAN-range, all showing you the same animated vignette on the screen when you put in the disc. I repeat: they're all RCV-DVD's, published by one and the same company. And the rules-prescribed "correct name" for that company is, per their own website, "RCV Entertainment". So that's what should be used - it really is that simple. I couldn't have said it better, completely agree with you here  cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Without seeing any back covers, just going by your description, I would be inclined to agree with you.
Skip If you'd like to take a look for yourself, here are two examples from my collection: EAN 8713045200572 is the Dutch edition of Kingpin and currently has RCV Sell Thru Entertainment as "Media Company" EAN 8713045205713 is the Dutch edition of Kill Bill Vol.1 and currently has RCV Entertainment as "Media Company". The logos are the same, the distinction is in the left bottom in the small print where it says "Distributie" (no need to translate that one, I reckon...). | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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