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Is "corporation" a company suffix. |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | Reputation:  | Posts: 336 |
| | Posted: | | | | [b][/b]Quoting huskersports: Quote: ... Paramount Pictures Corporation has been using Paramount Pictures since their inception. No, the trade name has been is use since 1914, but, the companies using this trade name has varied, as follows: Paramount Pictures Corporation (PPC) was founded by W. W. Hodkinson on 08-May-1914. On 15-May-1914, he signed 5-year contract with Famous Players Film Company, the Lasky Feature Play Company and Bosworth, Inc. to distribute their films ==> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Paramount_Pictures SUMMARY OF COMPANY NAME CHANGES In 1916, Adolph Zukor bought out PPC and merged Famous Players, the Lasky Company and PPC into Famous Players-Lasky Corporation. In 1927, name changed to Paramount-Famous Lasky Corporation (01-Apr-1927) In 1930, name changed to Paramount Publix Corporation (24-Apr-1930) In 1935, name changed to Paramount Pictures, Inc.On 31-Dec-1949, company split into Paramount Pictures Corporation (production/distribution) and United Paramount Theaters (exhibition). In particular: From 1935 to 1949, trade name and company name matched (Paramount Pictures, Inc.). From 1914-1916 and 1950 to current (as at 2026), the company name was Paramount Pictures Corporation. So, if trade name only is shown in the credits, I use the trade name in the profile. If both trade name and trade name company owner are displayed in the credits, I use the company name (the rules explicitly state to enter company names). | | | | Last edited: by ObiKen |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | Reputation:  | Posts: 336 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote: ... Oh, and the British Broadcast Corporation? They have been using that name in every medium (sometimes BBC) since their inception! ... By your reasoning for the British Broadcasting Corporation (that is the correct name), does that mean the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, which was previously called the Australian Broadcasting Commission, should be truncated to Australian Broadcasting? I don't think so, there is no time dependency on the use of Corporation in the company name. | | | | Last edited: by ObiKen |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | Reputation:  | Posts: 336 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote: ... Never in my 18 years using DVD Profiler has ANYONE contributed Paramount Pictures Corporation as a studio name. ... Hmm, sorry to disappoint, that statement has no veracity, based on my experience with the database. From my research, majority of Paramount films from the 1950's had no opening presentation credits, just a trademark logo of a mountain surrounded by stars, with either "A Paramount Picture" or "A Paramount Release" overlay, in the opening/end credits: Screen credits from this decade displayed company name(s) in the film's copyright (typically, Paramount Pictures Corporation), and for independent productions, "A Company Name production" credit. |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | Posts: 2,876 |
| | Posted: | | | | What's this studio's name and "company suffix"?  --------------- |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | Reputation:  | Posts: 336 |
| | Posted: | | | | COLUMBIA PICTURES CORPORATION OF CALIFORNIA is the production company name and LTD is the suffix.
I believe the opening credits displayed "COLUMBIA PICTURES CORPORATION PRESENTS".
Please note: • East coast was New York corporation "Columbia Pictures Corporation" that dealt with distribution and costs. • West Coast (1936-1939) was Columbia Pictures Corporation Of California, Ltd." that dealt with production. This company was a subsidiary of the New York corporation from 1936-1939.
So the profile should have been configured as: RELEASE STUDIO ==> Columbia Pictures Corporation PRODUCTION COMPANY ==> Columbia Pictures Corporation of California
because the rules state not to truncate the company name, which preserves the historical context of the company credit. | | | | Last edited: by ObiKen |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | Posts: 8,840 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote: So the profile should have been configured as: RELEASE STUDIO ==> Columbia Pictures Corporation PRODUCTION COMPANY ==> Columbia Pictures Corporation of California
because the rules state not to truncate the company name, which preserves the historical context of the company credit. Sorry, but this is flat out ridiculous to me. That profile should simply list Columbia Pictures, nothing else. And similarly, no profile should ever list "Paramount Pictures" with "Paramount Pictures Corporation", or replace one with the other. Note that the concept of "preserving the historical context of the company credit", while sounding lovely, isn't mentioned in the contribution rules anywhere, and was never the objective. Nor was it ever intended to enter studios exactly as credited - instead, the contribution rules speak of not abbreviating studio names, and they even refer to the forums for "further information about correct listings of studios and media companies, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure". Those remarks wouldn't be needed if we were simply told: "enter what you see in the credits". But no, the rules on this subject are, apparently, after "correct listings", not these minutae. The words about not abbreviating and the phrase "correct listings of studios" was meant to avoid having separate studio entries for "Columbia", "Columbia Pictures", "Columbia Pictures Corporation" and "Columbia Pictures Corporation of California". Not doing it like that was actually the whole idea... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | Posts: 8,840 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote: But ObiKen, you're trying to replace Paramount Pictures (which is the disc credit!), with Paramount Pictures Corporation. That's absurd! "Paramount Pictures Corporation presents" is not the same disc credit as "Paramount Pictures presents"! Never in my 18 years using DVD Profiler has ANYONE contributed Paramount Pictures Corporation as a studio name. Trade name, legal name, cite all the sources outside of this program that you want, Paramount Pictures is still the credit, not PPC. Paramount may use PPC in their legal dealings, but that is irrelevant here. Oh, and the British Broadcast Corporation? They have been using that name in every medium (sometimes BBC) since their inception! Paramount Pictures Corporation has been using Paramount Pictures since their inception. This. Not "Paramount", not "Paramount Pictures Corporation" - it should only ever be listed as Paramount Pictures. |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | Reputation:  | Posts: 336 |
| | Posted: | | | | T!M
Preserving the historical context of credits is not described anywhere in the rules, but the consequence of rules do have an impact. The "credited as" function for common names does preserve the historical context of cast/crew credits, as does the rule for company names. That is my observation, it is not to be misconstrued as a declaration of the rules.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no common name system for company names (which you are advocating), just a simple rule stating to list studios in order of theatrical release studio/production company(s), a rule stating "Do not abbreviate Studio or media company names" and rules to omit company suffixes and locality-specifix suffix.
The authoratative source for the company name came from the disc, that is, the film credits, so we are told to enter what we see in the credits.
Even so, we are also told to refer to the forums for further information about correct listings of studios and media companies.
And that is exactly what I am doing in this forum. | | | | Last edited: by ObiKen |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | Posts: 8,840 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote: Even so, we are also told to refer to the forums for further information about correct listings of studios and media companies.
And that is exactly what I am doing in this forum. Indeed. I'm not against asking the question - nothing wrong with that at all. I just can't help noticing that you're not finding much enthusiasm here for stuff like "Paramount Pictures Corporation" or "Columbia Pictures Corporation of California". | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | Posts: 13,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Not doing it like that was actually the whole idea... I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you. I just went back and read the entire 13 page thread, which included a poll, in the rules forum... one that I started on March 20, 2007. While this did come up, the general consensus was that we enter studio data 'as credited', minus company and region specific suffixes. The poll was 38 to 5 in favor of as credited. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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