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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
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I must agree!..... What if this were a thread on cars.... more people are killed in them than with guns... Who here is afraid of a car?
I would argue that most people need a car but I don't see the need for a gun. But then again I don't live in the land of the free where you need a gun to protect yourself. So Germany is crime-free? You are indeed fortunate!  You have no hunting in Germany? You are indeed unfortunate. You have no concern about the potential of another totalitarian government in Germany? You are indeed unwise. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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I must agree!..... What if this were a thread on cars.... more people are killed in them than with guns... Who here is afraid of a car?
I would argue that most people need a car but I don't see the need for a gun. But then again I don't live in the land of the free where you need a gun to protect yourself.
So Germany is crime-free?
You are indeed fortunate! Surprisingly, there are quite a few countries out there who are quite capable of dealing with crime without the need to arm the general populace!  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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I must agree!..... What if this were a thread on cars.... more people are killed in them than with guns... Who here is afraid of a car?
I would argue that most people need a car but I don't see the need for a gun. But then again I don't live in the land of the free where you need a gun to protect yourself.
So Germany is crime-free?
You are indeed fortunate!
Surprisingly, there are quite a few countries out there who are quite capable of dealing with crime without the need to arm the general populace! Tell that to the victims and families of the victims of those crimes! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 21, 2007 |  Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | The following is what the US State Department says about Germany (for the travelling American public):
"CRIME: Violent crime is rare in Germany, but can occur, especially in larger cities or high-risk areas such as train stations. Most incidents of street crime consist of theft of unattended items and pick-pocketing. There have been a few reports of aggravated assault against U.S. citizens in higher-risk areas. American travelers are advised to take the same precautions against becoming crime victims as they would in any American city."
I am pretty certain that no one here can say that violent crime is rare in the U.S. | | | | Graham |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FUBAR: Quote:
The following is what the US State Department says about Germany (for the travelling American public):
"CRIME: Violent crime is rare in Germany, but can occur, especially in larger cities or high-risk areas such as train stations. Most incidents of street crime consist of theft of unattended items and pick-pocketing. There have been a few reports of aggravated assault against U.S. citizens in higher-risk areas. American travelers are advised to take the same precautions against becoming crime victims as they would in any American city."
I am pretty certain that no one here can say that violent crime is rare in the U.S. Against international travelers...yes I'd say it's rare. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | You certainly are entitled to translate "Violent crime is rare in Germany" to mean only against US citizens, but I think they are stating a generality, and that is that violent crime is rare, period.
I'll see if I can come up with some statistics. | | | | Graham |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,745 |
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Tell that to the victims and families of the victims of those crimes! You mean like the boy who shot himself with daddy's Uzi a few weeks ago? | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
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You mean like the boy who shot himself with daddy's Uzi a few weeks ago? As a well known comic in this country says: "You can't fix stupid!" Any parent that allows an 8-year-old to handle a loaded firearm is an idiot! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | According to King's College in the UK:
A study on world prison population states:
There are 738 prisoners in US prisons per 100,000 population
There are 95 prisoners in German prisons per 100,000 population
You can draw your own conclusions as to what this indicates. My conclusion is that compared to the U.S. there is less crime in Germany. | | | | Graham |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
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I'll see if I can come up with some statistics.
2347 murders or manslaughters in a population of 82.2 million people in 2007.
criminal statistics That equates to 2.9 per 100,000 which one can use to compare with these US statistics from 2007. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Obviusly this is not a black and white question. If guns are generally available, it will save some and get others killed. Sure we can all argue if it will get more or less killed - but in reality we do not know for sure - you can't simply rely on the statistics from the different countries as it is influenced by cultural differences. Also remember that your values are based on history. The US gained it's indepence by it's citizens fighting a suppressing government, and I would be surprised if the US constitutions isn't written to try to make sure the people can do it again if needed. I guess people in countries who have not gone though this lately (lately as in historic context) simply have other priorities on civil rights (I certainly do - I can't affort the fighter jet needed to fight my government these days anyway).  | | | Regards
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
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I must agree!..... What if this were a thread on cars.... more people are killed in them than with guns... Who here is afraid of a car?
I would argue that most people need a car but I don't see the need for a gun. But then again I don't live in the land of the free where you need a gun to protect yourself. Can someone PLEASE do something about these damned mosquitoes?  Edit: - For those who don't know what I mean by that...... over 1 million people die each year from mosquito bites and more people have died from mosquito bites than in all of the wars ever waged by man added together. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,745 |
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Can someone PLEASE do something about these damned mosquitoes?
Edit: - For those who don't know what I mean by that...... over 1 million people die each year from mosquito bites and more people have died from mosquito bites than in all of the wars ever waged by man added together. So you are saying that as long as there's anything that causes deaths and is out of our hands, we don't need to care about deaths that we could have prevented. Interesting POV. Then we don't need to worry about anything, there will always be a volcano breaking out... | | | Karsten
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Miami Herald:
Miami goes a month without murder
Midnight Friday marked the end of October and the news from Miami's homicide office was what didn't happen.
No one was murdered.
October passed without a homicide -- meaning for the first time since May 1966, an entire month went by in the city of Miami without someone succumbing violently.
''That's an amazing thing,'' said Miami Lt. John Buhrmaster, a longtime homicide investigator. "It's a great record when people are not killing each other.'' |
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