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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
18 years. Now I understand why. You've been conditioned into doing it wrong for so long, you can't understand how to do it right. Somebody owes you 18 years of apologies. I've been doing it the way Ken has asked us to do it for 18 years. You want it changed? Get him to change the rules. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
"The Criterion Collection" is most certainly a "collection" of films therefore there is no doubt that it falls under the definition of an "Edition" per the rules. It also happens to be a media company, but that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. 'The Criterion Collection' is most certainly not a collection. It is most certainly a media company that happens to have the word 'collection' in it's name. That, of course, is just my opinion and you are, of course free to have a different one. Quote:
I love it when people want to change something as important as the title after we've been doing it the same way for 18 years. SMH! Who said they wanted to change anything? I was asked what I thought, and I gave an answer. Never, not once, did I say they should be changed in the online. I honestly don't care how you enter them as I will never own any of these sets and, if by some odd chance I did, I can name them whatever I want in my local database. And, just insert a little truth into your rhetoric, we have not been doing it the same way for 18 years. We used to take the title from the credits and then, maybe 7 years ago, it was changed to the front of the case. Quote:
Actually, I think you just enjoy being a contrarian. Actually, I think you just...ah, never mind, not really worth it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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18 years. Now I understand why. You've been conditioned into doing it wrong for so long, you can't understand how to do it right. Somebody owes you 18 years of apologies.
I've been doing it the way Ken has asked us to do it for 18 years. You want it changed? Get him to change the rules. The rule is already there for titles, you just don't want to do it that way. If I got him to change the rules, 90% of them would be changed to eliminate grey areas, along with portions of the crew grid. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting ateo357:
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18 years. Now I understand why. You've been conditioned into doing it wrong for so long, you can't understand how to do it right. Somebody owes you 18 years of apologies.
I've been doing it the way Ken has asked us to do it for 18 years. You want it changed? Get him to change the rules.
The rule is already there for titles, you just don't want to do it that way.
If I got him to change the rules, 90% of them would be changed to eliminate grey areas, along with portions of the crew grid. It's also there for editions. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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"The Criterion Collection" is most certainly a "collection" of films therefore there is no doubt that it falls under the definition of an "Edition" per the rules. It also happens to be a media company, but that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
'The Criterion Collection' is most certainly not a collection. It is most certainly a media company that happens to have the word 'collection' in it's name. That, of course, is just my opinion and you are, of course free to have a different one.
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I love it when people want to change something as important as the title after we've been doing it the same way for 18 years. SMH!
Who said they wanted to change anything? I was asked what I thought, and I gave an answer. Never, not once, did I say they should be changed in the online. I honestly don't care how you enter them as I will never own any of these sets and, if by some odd chance I did, I can name them whatever I want in my local database. And, just insert a little truth into your rhetoric, we have not been doing it the same way for 18 years. We used to take the title from the credits and then, maybe 7 years ago, it was changed to the front of the case.
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Actually, I think you just enjoy being a contrarian.
Actually, I think you just...ah, never mind, not really worth it. Oh, I get it. The word "collection" doesn't really mean "collection". Based on his comments, I believe ateo357 would like nothing better than to change those titles. I've never seen "The Criterion Collection" or "Midnite Movies" on the title screen of a movie either, so yes, we've been doing it the same way for 18 years. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Didn't say it was the title of the film. It's the title of the DVD release. You should understand there is a difference.
This is DVD Profiler not Movie Profiler. The title should be the title of the DVD release with Midnite Movies, Classic Monster Collection, Legacy Collection, MGM Scream Legends Collection etc. included. They clearly are not editions and do not belong in the edition field. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Didn't say it was the title of the film. It's the title of the DVD release. You should understand there is a difference.
This is DVD Profiler not Movie Profiler. The title should be the title of the DVD release with Midnite Movies, Classic Monster Collection, Legacy Collection, MGM Scream Legends Collection etc. included. They clearly are not editions and do not belong in the edition field. From my point of view these examples in fact ARE collections as defined in the rules and therefore these collection names should be entered in the edition field to indicate this fact - as suggested by the rules: Quote:
Edition: The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections... ...although, the Criterion example seems to be the only one, which is doubtful - but this one is stated as example to clarify the rule... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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Didn't say it was the title of the film. It's the title of the DVD release. You should understand there is a difference.
This is DVD Profiler not Movie Profiler. The title should be the title of the DVD release with Midnite Movies, Classic Monster Collection, Legacy Collection, MGM Scream Legends Collection etc. included. They clearly are not editions and do not belong in the edition field.
From my point of view these examples in fact ARE collections as defined in the rules and therefore these collection names should be entered in the edition field to indicate this fact - as suggested by the rules:
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Edition: The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections...
...although, the Criterion example seems to be the only one, which is doubtful - but this one is stated as example to clarify the rule... I know what the rule is. I'm just saying I think it is wrong. |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you think it's wrong, start a discussion in the Contribution Rules Committee.
The Contribution Discussion forum is intended to discuss contributions based on the rules as they are now. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | On one hand I've to agree with dee1959jay... On the the other hand, to bring the thread a little bit further  , I can't see any use in this field at all. Imho this field was - a very short coming - attempt to differentiate DVDs of the same feature. Today we have much more releases of each and every title than we can count. I personally love the studios releasing numerous Director's Cuts without any normal DVD/BD on the market. Summed up, these collections/editions/etc. are unnecessary marketing tags. ... but with this in mind, I really prefer this useles information parked in the ignorable edition field instead of mangling the titles of the features: I liked the old rules where the title (since I'm German speaking the original one) was taken from the credits - the title listed there is the pure title as intended by the producers, without the interpretion of the marketing and graphical guys (sometimes I hate them) - but this rule was not exact enough for foreign releases  | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 |  Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But for some reason when I look at the cover it feels to me like it should be...
Title: Dead Season / State of Emergency
Edition: Zombie Double Feature
So want to see what other people thought on this one.
DVD Planet   |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
So want to see what other people thought on this one. The proper way to do this is to make a contribution and see what the voters think. What the rest of us think makes no difference. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Oh, I get it. The word "collection" doesn't really mean "collection". Not in this case it doesn't as it is the name of the media company that created the product. The word 'mustang' in 'Ford Mustang' doesn't really mean 'mustang - an American feral horse, typically small and lightly built' does it? When looking at an add for a 2015 Jaguar, I'm not expecting a large, heavily built cat that has a yellowish-brown coat with black spots, found mainly in the dense forests of Central and South America that was born in 2015. This is not different. At least it isn't for me. Quote:
Based on his comments, I believe ateo357 would like nothing better than to change those titles. I can't speak for him. Quote:
I've never seen "The Criterion Collection" or "Midnite Movies" on the title screen of a movie either, so yes, we've been doing it the same way for 18 years. Huge red herring. We used to get the title from the film credits which, unless I am mistaken, has always shown the title of the film. Now we get the title from the front of the case which, unless I am mistaken, is cluttered with all kinds of text that we have to pluck the title from so, no, we haven't been doing it the same way for 18 years. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 | | Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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So want to see what other people thought on this one.
The proper way to do this is to make a contribution and see what the voters think. What the rest of us think makes no difference.
--------------- You are absolutely right. That the official distributor and every major retailer calls it one thing should not matter. What should is what the DVDP online users want to call it. Their database....their rules. They built it...they use it. Those not in agreement can change the title in their own local. Couldn't agree more. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,684 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JMGuer: Quote:
What should is what the DVDP online users want to call it. And how would you determine what (the majority of) the DVDP online users want? Most of them don't even come here. Quote:
Their database....their rules. Nope! The database belongs to Invelos, so it's definitely their rules. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 | | Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
And how would you determine what (the majority of) the DVDP online users want? Most of them don't even come here.
I wouldn't presume to determine....what the majority may or may not want. I go it alone. How is it determined now? How has it been determined for the past XX number of years? Those interested in such things will vote. Those who "don't even come on here" will not vote, that simple. There is some kind of rules committee in place, no? Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Nope! The database belongs to Invelos, so it's definitely their rules.
If you say so. You either play by the rules (online), or you don't (local). You don't agree with some rules, try (by whatever methods may be in place) to get them changed. If you don't agree with any of the rules, don't use the online at all. It is that simple. |
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