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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Martin:

If you are deviating from the credits then you are arong in benefiting everybpdy. You benefit yourself and others in your region.

Ad no data that does NOT appear On screen.

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You have totally missed the point, schizzo. I am saying do it the credits way, not ANY cultural way, THE CREDITS. Don't add data you don't see On Screen PERIOD. You are making it way too hard to try to defend your cultural preference. Like i said, i don't whine when I see a bunch of German characters in a film credit, I list it as I see it, It is VERY EASY when you aren't slavish to your nationalistic tendencies, there is nothing to argue about. I see BJORN I type Bjorn, I see FRANÇOIS I type François. The ONLY problem comes when as you noted we run into character sets that the program cannot deal with, and that I can't do anything about, I wish I could but eeeees not my yob, man.  Hopefully Ken will one day give the program the ability to deal with more character sets.

And the reason you get the IMDb is because of people that just have to respond to their culture or are out and out violating the Rules. As I said, what you do affects EVERYONE .

Sorry, Skip, but you are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing:  entering data that IS NOT THERE.

It is exactly the same thing when you see FRANCOIS and type Francois as when a French user sees FRANCOIS ant types François.  The only data that is there to be seen is FRANCOIS in caps.  Your typing it in lower case Francois is no more correct than if I type it in lower case as François.  We are BOTH adding data that is not there -- namely the lower case letters.  Just because you choose lower case letters that are identical English representations of the upper case doesn't make it correct.  You are the one who is missing the point, not schizzzo.  You clearly don't understand this issue and are trying to throw "nationalism" labels and IMDb around to support your PERSONAL interpretation.  Sorry, but that dog don't hunt.
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You still don't get it, schizzzo.

Your choice IS based on cultural preference. my choice is based ONLY on what appears ON SCREEN. I don't care where it comes from. You are applying cultural Rules toi Francois, I am only applying credit data with no regard to ANY culture.

You can turn this around and point it at yourself.  You are the one who is wrong here, and applying cultural rules (USA) to François.  What you care about is irrelevant.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Your choice IS based on cultural preference. my choice is based ONLY on what appears ON SCREEN. I don't care where it comes from. You are applying cultural Rules toi Francois, I am only applying credit data with no regard to ANY culture.


No, you're applying cultural rules the american way. You only THINK you are applying credit data with no regard to ANY culture.

Wrong, Schizzzo. You cannot read my mind, you are saying what you think i am doing, I am TELLING you what I am doing. The culture I applky is that displayed ON SCREEN without regard to ANY culture.

You don't seem to be interested in understanding what i have said. i have even talked about foreign film credits being handled in precisely the SAME manner, based on what is ON SCREEN. You seem only interested in disagreeing.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Ken:

Since i laid this out I think I have a far clearer vision of what the intent was than ANYONE else.

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We have ONE page, the Credits. We don't have a French page, a German page an Asian page and so forth. The reason for it is as I have explained so many times, not everyoine has the depth of knowledge that i have regarding foreign languages. Soemone who is not familiar with French naming Rules is supposed to enter the data...how. Or are they to wait for the supposed experts to step up. What we have that ALL users can enter easily is the data ON SCREEN. Anythingelse is simply being nationalistic and is narrow-minded with absolutely no regard for the broader community. If Ken wats to give everyone their own page and separate the various databases then thjat will let the French do whatever they want and they will not impact any other region, I don't see that as likely however. Though personally, i would prefer it to these ridiculoius arguments.

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Ken:

Since i laid this out I think I have a far clearer vision of what the intent was than ANYONE else.


I know two categories of people with "a far clearer vision": the very religious ones or the very sick ones. Perhaps you can explain your "vision", I really don't want to categorize you.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Huh??????

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We have ONE page, the Credits. We don't have a French page, a German page an Asian page and so forth.


But we have French credits, German credits, Asia credits and so forth. And the DVDP has French user. German user, Asian (?) user and so forth.

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Soemone who is not familiar with French naming Rules is supposed to enter the data...how.


A very important aspect! As simple as possible!

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Or are they to wait for the supposed experts to step up.


No, but the experts shouldn't be blocked
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Huh??????

Skip


What does your post means? What's your vision? As simple as possible, even if it's wrong?
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Ken:

Since i laid this out I think I have a far clearer vision of what the intent was than ANYONE else.

Skip


That is all well and good but, this isn't your program.  It is Ken's program and HIS intent is the only intent that matters.
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They are not blocked, schizzzo. We have an ALIAS system that can accomodate that. It's primary purpose is to be the most COMMONLY credited name, however Ken and Gerri have also allowed for other forms to be used with documentation. So what's the big deal. From a Credit viewpoint you worry about how it is displayed ON SCREEN, then you can worry about the Alias, and your nationalist pride can be salved appropriately.<shrugs>

I am ONLY worried about how the data is displayed ON SCREEN.

You are definig wrong based on some nationalistic cultural rules. I am defining it simpler than that, WHAT is ON SCREEN? That was the intent and remains so, there is now a system with which to deal with the cultural part. The screen dictates what to do, do not add data that does not appear, do not make any culutural assumptions. If I were advocating making the assumption that Enry suggested that FANCOIS=Frank, then you cvould rightly accuse m,e of making a cultural jusdgement, but i am not, I am simply satting enter it exactly as you see it ON SCREEN. You are advocating a cultural position which differs from the rules.

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Sorry, Skip, but you are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing:  entering data that IS NOT THERE.

It is exactly the same thing when you see FRANCOIS and type Francois as when a French user sees FRANCOIS ant types François.  The only data that is there to be seen is FRANCOIS in caps.  Your typing it in lower case Francois is no more correct than if I type it in lower case as François.  We are BOTH adding data that is not there -- namely the lower case letters.  Just because you choose lower case letters that are identical English representations of the upper case doesn't make it correct.  You are the one who is missing the point, not schizzzo.  You clearly don't understand this issue and are trying to throw "nationalism" labels and IMDb around to support your PERSONAL interpretation.  Sorry, but that dog don't hunt.


Very well said Ken and exactly how I see it.  The rules don't say "use standard English capitalization rules."  Because they don't, each person will use the standard that they are used to.  If Ken...the other Ken...wants us to use only standard English rules, he needs to say so.  Until he does, this is going to keep coming up.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Sorry for typos, typing fast. have to leave for awhile.

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You are definig wrong based on some nationalistic cultural rules. I am defining it simpler than that, WHAT is ON SCREEN? That was the intent and remains so, there is now a system with which to deal with the cultural part. The screen dictates what to do, do not add data that does not appear, do not make any culutural assumptions. If I were advocating making the assumption that Enry suggested that FANCOIS=Frank, then you cvould rightly accuse m,e of making a cultural jusdgement, but i am not, I am simply satting enter it exactly as you see it ON SCREEN. You are advocating a cultural position which differs from the rules.

Skip


The part I bolded is the problem that you seem to be ignoring and is based 100% on your cultural judgement.

When you see FRANCOIS you see the lower case equivalent as being francois.  I do the same thing.  Why?  Because, in America, that is the proper lower case equivalent.

When someone from France sees FRANCOIS, they see the lower case equivalent as being françois.  Why?  Because, in France, that is the proper lower case equivalent.

To say that they are wrong, and you are right, assumes that the rules tell us to use the American English standard.  They do not.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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How to handle Æ Ø Å in standard English capitalization rules like Bjørn
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I am saying do it the credits way, not ANY cultural way, THE CREDITS. Don't add data you don't see On Screen  I see BJORN I type Bjorn,


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