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| Registered: July 22, 2007 | | Posts: 402 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you look at my Wizard of Oz 85th Anniversary contribution, you will notice that the main profile was declined, while the combo disc part of the box set was released. WTF?
It seems that the main profile was declined because there are uncredited cast entries. My reference for that cast list was from a profile that was approved. Yet the person who said no seems to not like the idea that the referenced profile had no citations either. Isn't it a little late to complain about that?
Yet, the combo contribution was released with the exact same cast list.
Why bother doing contributions when hit with these contradictions? I was going to update the Wizard of Oz 75th Anniversary 3D release, but I'm thinking... why bother! | | | Mr Video Productions
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's possible that the person who voted 'No' doesn't have the combo disc in their collection so was unable to vote on it. As to the contradictions, all Uncredited cast must be documented. Copying from an existing profile does not negate that requirement. If the profile you copied from didn't have any citations, then the uncredited cast should have been left out...unless you verified them yourself.
While the information in the referenced profile may be correct, without documentation, there is no way to know so I would consider it bad data and would not propagate that data into new profiles. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: July 22, 2007 | | Posts: 402 |
| | Posted: | | | | The point is... if the profile was approved, I can only assume that the required citation was provided when the contribution was presented. I should not have to redo the work that was supposedly already done. If it wasn't, it should never have been approved in the first place.
I had no way of knowing that the approved reference probably should never have been approved. So, I'm punished for someone else's mistake?
The combo disc was a new profile contribution, so it wouldn't have been in anyone's collection... sort-of. The 85th Anniversary profile is part of the database and the BD is part of that release, but I separated it out to make it a combo for the main profile. That said, the contribution had the same cast list submitted. So, it too had the un-credited cast entries, but it was released. Hence my confusion. | | | Mr Video Productions
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,882 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MrVideo: Quote:
The point is... if the profile was approved, I can only assume that the required citation was provided when the contribution was presented. I should not have to redo the work that was supposedly already done. If it wasn't, it should never have been approved in the first place. Rules may have changed since the contribution was accepted, or maybe the screener made a mistake. Bad data should not be accepted just because the same data had been accepted before. Quote:
I had no way of knowing that the approved reference probably should never have been approved. So, I'm punished for someone else's mistake? A no vote and a rejection is not a punishment. It just tells you that the data doesn't follow the (current) rules. Your options are either to fix it and recontribute, or just let it go. That's up to you. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: May 24, 2007 | | Posts: 141 |
| | Posted: | | | | A tricky thing with uncredited cast is that in some older cases the uncredited cast was clearly taken from an IMDB listing, which often gets things wrong. In fact in the audit I'm currently doing on Terror firmer, at least one person listed as uncredited is in fact credited. On the plus side that means they won't be removed even though I have no idea who they are. I think screeners are generally more careful now to ensure people don't just copy and paste IMDB listings over, including the uncredited stuff. |
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| Registered: June 2, 2008 | | Posts: 51 |
| | Posted: | | | | This crap is why I hate contributing: the double standards. Rules state you can copy and past cast from previously approved profile as long as you source that profile you copied it from, but some asshat will vote no because they are unaware of the rules and then it gets declined. You can follow the rules to the letter, but 1 no vote is enough to get it declined. It really shows how flawed the Invelos system is and how people who approve contributions don't even read through the notes - all they do is see the no vote and "declined" | | | | Never judge a movie by its sequel or remake | | | | Last edited: by cronosmantas |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,487 |
| | Posted: | | | | The following shows on the contribution page where you select to contribute uncredited cast.
This contribution contains uncredited cast entries. Please submit uncredited cast only if:
You have personally identified the cast by viewing the film
-OR- The cast is copied from a previously accepted profile with documented uncredited cast
Be sure to specify the source in your contribution notes
No double standard (or contradictions), if you decide to contribute uncredited cast, you have agreed to the above. | | | | Registered: February 10, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by greyghost |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks greyghost, I knew it wasn't in the rules but couldn't remember where it was located. So, yes, you can copy from a previously accepted profile but they must have been documented in that profile. If they were, then you can either copy and paste the documentation into the new contribution...my personal choice as it propagates the documentation...or list the previous profile as the source material.
If they weren't documented in the previously accepted profile, and you still want to contribute them, you have to document them yourself. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: July 22, 2007 | | Posts: 402 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting greyghost: Quote:
-OR- The cast is copied from a previously accepted profile with documented uncredited cast When referencing a profile you have no clue that the uncredited list was documented. Is there a location in the profile that indicates that? One expects that the original contribution had the documentation provided with the contribution, otherwise it should not have been approved. But, it seems that approval has happened without said documentation. | | | Mr Video Productions
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,487 |
| | Posted: | | | | The contribution notes for that profile. | | | | Registered: February 10, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,882 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting greyghost: Quote:
This contribution contains uncredited cast entries. Please submit uncredited cast only if:
You have personally identified the cast by viewing the film
-OR- The cast is copied from a previously accepted profile with documented uncredited cast
Be sure to specify the source in your contribution notes It's unfortunate that this isn't (also) included in the rules section. It would have avoided a lot of confusion. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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