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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said, tim you are simply proving yourself to be selfish and inconsiderate of other users. I don't like to use the term, as other users do, because everybody's version of it is different, but a little COMMON SENSE on your part would be good. I will say thius Tim, you had best start beefing up your documentation, I will begin voting No on the weak documentation you have been using.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
As I said, tim you are simply proving yourself to be selfish and inconsiderate of other users. I don't like to use the term, as other users do, because everybody's version of it is different, but a little COMMON SENSE on your part would be good. I will say thius Tim, you had best start beefing up your documentation, I will begin voting No on the weak documentation you have been using.
Skip Ha! Because I dared question your authority, there are going to be repercussions? You're really quite a character...  Once again: while you're free to abstain from using any feature of DVD Profiler, it is not YOUR call to tell others what to do. You're welcome to vote 'no' on all my updates, I've already seen you voting blatantly in violation of the rules (but in line with your own personal preferences) many times the last few weeks (not even concerning common names, but on much more clean-cut issues), so I don't really think this threat of yours will make much difference. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
@ Rifter: basically, you're worried that will result in "incorrect" data. There are two answers to this:
First: remember that "credited as" still lets you keep the old-style "as credited" cast and crew lists we always had. At no point do you lose any information, you can only gain some.
Second: whenever you disagree with any common name, you're welcome to submit an update in which you correct it. The voting process will deal with this perfectly fine. You're right in that some people may decide on different common names for the same people, that seems to be inevitable. But I expect these will be ironed out as time goes by and more people start using the system. I already suggested months ago to create a new sub-forum about common names, where we can discuss about some of the less obvious common names on a case-by-case basis. But really, in most cases it's rather obvious. You should try it sometime. First: Even with "as credited" and partial update acceptance, I can still lose out on good data in updates. What if somebody does one with a whole bunch of fixes in the cast and crew, but it also has a couple 'common name' additions. If I accept that to get the other fixes, I have to take the common name junk as well, which then can propogate through my system WITHOUT MY PERMISSION! If I refuse it on that basis, I miss out on all the other legit fixes. I'm f@cked any way you cut it. Second: I don't want to submit common name stuff, at all. I don't want ANY of that junk in my database. I want the ability to opt out of getting that stuff on updates, or sending it out on contributed updates. That is the ONLY way that everybody gets what they want with no downside. I don't know if Ken will do that or not. In the meantime, all you people rushing to include this common name crap are creating a monster that WE ALL will have to deal with somewhere down the road. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I agree that this feature will not be completely ready until Ken's standard is announced. And in my opinion it should wait for his standard.... but even with that said I do realize that Ken put in the rules to use it now. So even though I would suggest to wait for Ken's standard to be released... I wouldn't dream of wasting time trying to convince people to wait.
Of course I was never one to care how much work has to be done to fix them later (when Ken's standard is released)... since every time there is a rule change or field added there is work to be done on all the profiles anyway.
So if people want to submit this now... thats fine... it is up to them. Just as long as it is understood that it might have to be fixed later.... more power to them.
I personally like the idea Ken was talking about... a search on the whole database of "as Credit" names to see which is most common... and I am personally looking forward to it.
Normally I will vote neutral on these updates... but will vote no if something isn't documented or is way out there. Personally, I think he said to go ahead and use for a very simple reason. Live bug testing. I'll bet you anything he is keeping track of all the problems people are having with this stuff, and is using it to debug whatever fix he is working on. That's the only reason for using it now that makes sense. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
As I said, tim you are simply proving yourself to be selfish and inconsiderate of other users. p Really, I don't see where is the problem. If people do not want to correct their profile, they lock it and ignore the new contribution. If it is a new profile in their collection, a one minute use of Variant names plugin is sufficient to verify that there is no problem with the rest of the database. Please let everybody do what he wants, especially when it's not against the rules. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oooooooh, Common Names... Dividers... Country of Origin... It gives me the shivers. Ken, could you please finish version 2.5 and destroy 3.0 and it's inferior database?  | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
First: Even with "as credited" and partial update acceptance, I can still lose out on good data in updates. What if somebody does one with a whole bunch of fixes in the cast and crew, but it also has a couple 'common name' additions. If I accept that to get the other fixes, I have to take the common name junk as well, which then can propogate through my system WITHOUT MY PERMISSION! If I refuse it on that basis, I miss out on all the other legit fixes. I'm f@cked any way you cut it.
Second: I don't want to submit common name stuff, at all. I don't want ANY of that junk in my database. I want the ability to opt out of getting that stuff on updates, or sending it out on contributed updates. That is the ONLY way that everybody gets what they want with no downside. I don't know if Ken will do that or not. In the meantime, all you people rushing to include this common name crap are creating a monster that WE ALL will have to deal with somewhere down the road. Isn't that bloviating ?  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I agree that this feature will not be completely ready until Ken's standard is announced. And in my opinion it should wait for his standard.... but even with that said I do realize that Ken put in the rules to use it now. So even though I would suggest to wait for Ken's standard to be released... I wouldn't dream of wasting time trying to convince people to wait.
Of course I was never one to care how much work has to be done to fix them later (when Ken's standard is released)... since every time there is a rule change or field added there is work to be done on all the profiles anyway.
So if people want to submit this now... thats fine... it is up to them. Just as long as it is understood that it might have to be fixed later.... more power to them.
I personally like the idea Ken was talking about... a search on the whole database of "as Credit" names to see which is most common... and I am personally looking forward to it.
Normally I will vote neutral on these updates... but will vote no if something isn't documented or is way out there.
Personally, I think he said to go ahead and use for a very simple reason. Live bug testing. I'll bet you anything he is keeping track of all the problems people are having with this stuff, and is using it to debug whatever fix he is working on. That's the only reason for using it now that makes sense. Even though I am not contributing it myself... sounds like all the more reason to use it if that is the case. | | | | Pete |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Even though I am not contributing it myself... sounds like all the more reason to use it if that is the case. My thoughts exactly! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Oooooooh, Common Names... Dividers... Country of Origin... It gives me the shivers. Ken, could you please finish version 2.5 and destroy 3.0 and it's inferior database? No, you twit, it means maximum USER CONFIGURABILITY of the features in the program. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | All of this finger pointing and name calling is just idiotic. It has often been said that Ken and Gerri have the final say on these matters. Well, I know for a fact that Invelos is telling people to use the 'credited as' feature. I saw this note on a contribution, "Using common name...at Invelos' request". I have exchanged messages with this contributor and he confirmed the fact that Invelos asked him to use the feature. I know this contributor well and have no reason to believe otherwise.
My point? If Invelos is encouraging the use of this feature without a standard, who are we to try and stop it's use? While some of us may not like it, it is not our program and we must "follow where Ken leads." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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Oooooooh, Common Names... Dividers... Country of Origin... It gives me the shivers. Ken, could you please finish version 2.5 and destroy 3.0 and it's inferior database?
No, you twit, it means maximum USER CONFIGURABILITY of the features in the program. Yeah and those are the things you don't want, old fart. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Even though I am not contributing it myself... sounds like all the more reason to use it if that is the case.
My thoughts exactly! How can that be your thoughts if you are contributing common names? | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,595 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ruineddaydreams: Quote:
so you really think that derailing a thread makes your day feel better? Aren't you glad we got this thread going again?  .  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting ruineddaydreams:
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so you really think that derailing a thread makes your day feel better?
Aren't you glad we got this thread going again? . Blah, blah, blah.... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,595 |
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