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case type of box set vs. digipack |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Ok, then it is indeed as I thought it was: only use Boxset as case type when it's a box designed to keep individual other boxes together...  .
So I think ya_shin is wrong too then... Also correct!  I'll address ya-shin's comment below... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
If the digipaks are slid into, after being folded together, into another box that looks a Slip case as shown in the Pinned: Case Types With Images thread, then the parent profile gets the Case type Box Set. After all, the parent profile refers to the "shell"; which is the Skip case. No, it certainly doesn't!! This is clearly stated in the same thread you're referring to. Quote (see below): "List as case type contained within." So, for a digipack in a slip cover, we use the case type of what's contained within. In this particular case: a digipack. Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Slip Cover (Sleeve): (not selectable in DVD Profiler) List as case type contained within.
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| | Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, now if we could only edit the rules slightly to make this clear to avoid any future discussions/arguments by anyone  . |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
After all, the parent profile refers to the "shell"; which is the Skip case. Would this be considered a Freudian Skip?   | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim, the case you "quoted" is a Slip Cover, but in my post I pointed to the Slip Case! It is correct, we don't profile Slip Covers. However, if the main container of a DVD set (such as Alien Quadrilogy) is a Slip Case, then we use Box Set as case type. Not ethat Dan even calls it a Box Set... Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Box Set (Slip Case):
 | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Tim, the case you "quoted" is a Slip Cover, but in my post I pointed to the Slip Case!
It is correct, we don't profile Slip Covers. However, if the main container of a DVD set (such as Alien Quadrilogy) is a Slip Case, then we use Box Set as case type. Not ethat Dan even calls it a Box Set... Dan calls these "box sets", because they are: they both contain multiple keepcases. It may not be so obvious in the 'Kill Bil'' picture, but it does! These are indeed both examples of "box sets": some kind of cardboard box containing multiple, separate keepcases/slimcases/snappers or even digipacks. However, digipaks with slipcovers/slipcases around them are addressed further in that post, and I quoted that part in my earlier post: "List as case type contained within." Ask Dan, if you're in doubt, but please don't confuse matters by posting the exact opposite of what we've decided to do? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | The box/container is important, not what's in it... Whether the container contains keep cases, slim cases, snappers or digipaks does not make a difference. The container is the still the same shape and form. And the field is for the container, not for the content in it (that is what the child profiles will say...). That is, btw, what Dan confirmed to me once, when we had a similar discussion. EDIT: You can also find a comment of his here. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) | | | | Last edited: by nuoyaxin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | ummmm Tim, Achim was part of the Rules team, i think he knows a whole lot more about it than you do. If you are in doubt YOU contact Dan, but you won't like the answer.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, so which is it now ?! A foldout Digipak, which sits in a Slip Case, is that profiled as a Box Set or as a Digipak ?!  And are we now making a distinction between Slip Cover (2 openings at opposite sides) and Slip Case (only one opening) ? Some examples: * X-Files boxes: they are fold-out digipaks with a slip cover (openings at bottom and top). Currently profiled as Digipak. Correct or not ? * Alien Quadrilogy: digipak-book with a slip case (opening at the side). Currently profiled as Digipak. Correct or not ? If I understand correctly, X-Files should be Digipak and Alien a Boxset. Simply because one has 2 openings and the other only has 1... Very weird. Moreover, DVDs that sit in their own Slip Case would still be profiled with the inner case... How about a single Keepcase that contains 2 movies. That 1 keepcase further sits in a Slip Case. Would that then be a Box Set because it is 2 movies ? While if it would be 1 movie and a bonus disk, it would all of a sudden be a Keep Case ? *sigh* | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
ummmm Tim, Achim was part of the Rules team, i think he knows a whole lot more about it than you do. If you are in doubt YOU contact Dan, but you won't like the answer. If that's true, Dan would simply be wrong. I'll have to go back to Voltaire's post to show you the stupidity of this: Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
FWIW I think a slipcase around a digipak still makes it a digipak purely because otherwise (near enough) ALL digipaks would be in the database as boxsets because providing a digipak without some sort of sleeve to hold it shut is practically unheard of because it would be stupid. I don't care what anyone says, a slipcase/cover/sleeve around a digipack doesn't make it a "box set". There are three HUGE issues with this line of reasoning: 1. If a slipcase/cover/sleeve around a digipack makes it a "box set", we may just as well eliminate the "digipak" case type altogether, as over 95% of all digipaks have some sort of slipcase/cover/sleeve around it. 2. Similarly, this would also render a single movie in a single keepcase in a slipcover a "box set"?! 3. This line of reasoning doesn't match with what is written under "Slip Cover" (which I quoted earlier on the page) - these are each other's exact opposites. Again, I have this 'Blackadder' set right here with me, and I'm telling you: if that isn't considered a "digipak", I really don't know what is. If that's how you people feel, then by all means, please start a feature request to remove "digipak" from the list of case types. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
* X-Files boxes: they are fold-out digipaks with a slip cover (openings at bottom and top). Currently profiled as Digipak. Correct or not ? Correct. Following the example form the case type thread Tim posted above. Quote:
* Alien Quadrilogy: digipak-book with a slip case (opening at the side). Currently profiled as Digipak. Correct or not ? Incorrect. Should be Box Set case type following the example form the case type thread I posted above. (EDIT: corrected my wrong answer due to misreading Repter's post at first)Quote:
If I understand correctly, X-Files should be Digipak and Alien a Boxset. Simply because one has 2 openings and the other only has 1... Very weird. Weird maybe, but that's what the program and the rules currently allow us to do. Quote:
Moreover, DVDs that sit in their own Slip Case would still be profiled with the inner case...
How about a single Keepcase that contains 2 movies. That 1 keepcase further sits in a Slip Case. Would that then be a Box Set because it is 2 movies ? While if it would be 1 movie and a bonus disk, it would all of a sudden be a Keep Case ?
*sigh* Evn worse is, and that came up during a previous discussion we had, there is oddball situations, where a single movie is in a keep case which is then housed in a Slip Case. Technically a Box Set.  indeed. If it's two films, even if only in 1 keep case, most people will happily oblige to Box Set case type, but only one film....? If the keep case contains one or two movies however is not relevant, only the case itself is. Maybe reading Dan's comment at the link I gave above will help a little more. EDIT: Quoting T!M: Quote:
I don't care what anyone says, a slipcase/cover/sleeve around a digipack doesn't make it a "box set". If that's true, we may just as well eliminate the "digipak" case type altogether, as over 95% of all digipaks have some sort of slipcase/cover/sleeve around it. This would also render a single movie in a single keepcase in a slipcover a "box set"? This line of reasoning doesn't match with what is written under "Slip Cover" (which I quoted earlier on the page) - these are each other's exact opposites. You cannot mix up slip case and slip cover, as they are differently referenced in the Case Type thread. A Slip Case is Box Set case type, it's just unlucky named in the program. Why get rid of the digipak, you'll still need it for the child profiles. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) | | | | Last edited: by nuoyaxin |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | ya_shin: you're contradicting yourself.
Alien box: digipak-book which sits inside a slip case (1 opening on the side). Is this profiled as Digipak or as Boxset ?
First you say it is correct that it is profiled as Digipak, then you say that it should be a Boxset. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
ya_shin: you're contradicting yourself.
Alien box: digipak-book which sits inside a slip case (1 opening on the side). Is this profiled as Digipak or as Boxset ?
First you say it is correct that it is profiled as Digipak, then you say that it should be a Boxset. The Alien Quadrilogy is a Box Set case type. Which post did I say it's a digipak? I'll need to edit that... EDIT: Found the post and edited it. I misread your comment, because the version I have (024543098478) is Box Set case type and somehow my mind read that in your post...  | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) | | | | Last edited: by nuoyaxin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Think of this way T!M, when profiling a DVD what physically holds the DVD.
In the exapmles given like Alien Quadrilogy; the parent profile really doesn't have any DVDs that are physically held by the outer case. You could easily throw it away and you would still have the individual discs being held by their respective packaging.
The child profiles you would profile the type of packaging that holds the discs, in the case of the R1 release of Alien Quadrilogy it is a digipak. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't wait for the day when they release a Slip Cover (2 openings) containing 2 keep cases, or even better one keepcase and one jewel *chuckle*. The way the rules are now seems so random. What would make a Slip Cover different than a Slip Case... Using the case type 'boxset' for those sets that just pack together individual subpackages seems to be much simpler and easier to apply. Also to what extent is that case type forum thread with images authoritative ? The opening post is already as confusing as the rules. Why talk about Slip Cases when the software uses Boxset... Oh well, maybe I should just lock the Casetype field for all my profiles. Would probably need a Feature Request for that too, since I don't want to go over all profiles to lock them one by one . |
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