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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Rho:

Nice try. There are NO joining words in that title. So your comment falls very flat.

@ Martin

Doh!!!!!!!!!!!! Slowly I turn, step by step..................

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Rho:

Nice try. There are NO joining words in that title. So your comment falls very flat.

I don't think we are talking about a single title any more. And by Invelos' rules "the" is a joining word given as an example.
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I ask myself why english-speaking people bother to capitalize titles at all. They don't do it in sentences, then why in titles and according to which rules?

In german it's very simple (ok, german is not simple, but in this matter it is): The same words are capitalized in a title that would be capitlaized in every other sentence, too.
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LOL, nice try yet again, Rho. You need to read it in its entirety. According to writing Rules a colon prevents The from being a joining word in English, I don't about your native tongue. But by all means keep trying.

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LOL, nice try yet again, Rho. You need to read it in its entirety. According to writing Rules a colon prevents The from being a joining word in English, I don't about your native tongue. But by all means keep trying.

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What don't you about my native tongue? There doesn't exist a word spelled "The" in my native tongue. Can you give me a definition of joining word?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Karsten:

That I won't disagree with, English from the viewpoint of many other languages, is very odd and does some very strange things. I had no involvement in that process, despite the fact that I AM older than dirt.
I only know what most of them are...I hope anyways. But then on the other hand, from the viewpoint of English some other language are equally odd, for example the example from the rules "“Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not". It's odd but it is what it is. 

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LOL, nice try yet again, Rho. You need to read it in its entirety. According to writing Rules a colon prevents The from being a joining word in English, I don't about your native tongue. But by all means keep trying.

Skip


This whole term "joining word" is misleading.

What I believe was meant was "articles, conjunctions and prepositions" all of which are not "joining words".
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This whole term "joining word" is misleading.

What I believe was meant was "articles, conjunctions and prepositions" all of which are not "joining words".

I would agree to this definition.
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Rho:

The use of the terminology "joining word" was not mine. Nor will I point at who it was. I think more appropriately,at least in terms of English writing the term preposition would have been more apprpos. So what is a preposition.

A preposition links nouns, pronouns and phrases to other words in a sentence. The word or phrase that the preposition introduces is called the object of the preposition.

A preposition usually indicates the temporal, spatial or logical relationship of its object to the rest of the sentence as in the following examples:

    The book is on the table.
    The book is beneath the table.
    The book is leaning against the table.
    The book is beside the table.
    She held the book over the table.
    She read the book during class.

In each of the preceding sentences, a preposition locates the noun "book" in space or in time.

A prepositional phrase is made up of the preposition, its object and any associated adjectives or adverbs. A prepositional phrase can function as a noun, an adjective, or an adverb. The most common prepositions are "about," "above," "across," "after," "against," "along," "among," "around," "at," "before," "behind," "below," "beneath," "beside," "between," "beyond," "but," "by," "despite," "down," "during," "except," "for," "from," "in," "inside," "into," "like," "near," "of," "off," "on," "onto," "out," "outside," "over," "past," "since," "through," "throughout," "till," "to," "toward," "under," "underneath," "until," "up," "upon," "with," "within," and "without."

It is a long complex issue, this is just the basics.

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@Skip Are all the above word supposed to be written in lower chars?

Because I am quite sure, I've see

Once Upon a Time in the West
The Day After Tomorrow

and so forth
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Rho:

The use of the terminology "joining word" was not mine. Nor will I point at who it was. I think more appropriately,at least in terms of English writing the term preposition would have been more apprpos. So what is a preposition.

Don't think that the rules only talk about prepositions when they talk about "joining words". What about articles and conjunctions? Do we not capitalise prepositions of any length? And yes I think I know what a preposition is.
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Should "*batteries not included" be capitalized to "*Batteries Not Included"?

Common Sense?

Yes, definitely!

Both of the two questions were rhetorical with which I only wanted to indicate that if we are going to apply standard capitalization rules on every title without using common sense we will generate unsatisfying results for a large part of the community. So, if you answered the second question (and I hope you do) you'd agree with my concern.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Rememvber what it says Karsten

A prepositional phrase can function as a noun, an adjective, or an adverb.
Two prepositions, TYPICALLY (not always) are not used together. After does appear to be a preposition in that usage. Upon is not.

Each of the highlighted words in the following sentences is a preposition:

    The children climbed the mountain without fear.

In this sentence, the preposition "without" introduces the noun "fear." The prepositional phrase "without fear" functions as an adverb describing how the children climbed.

    There was rejoicing throughout the land when the government was defeated.

Here, the preposition "throughout" introduces the noun phrase "the land." The prepositional phrase acts as an adverb describing the location of the rejoicing.

    The spider crawled slowly along the banister.

The preposition "along" introduces the noun phrase "the banister" and the prepositional phrase "along the banister" acts as an adverb, describing where the spider crawled.

    The dog is hiding under the porch because it knows it will be punished for chewing up a new pair of shoes.

Here the preposition "under" introduces the prepositional phrase "under the porch," which acts as an adverb modifying the compound verb "is hiding."

    The screenwriter searched for the manuscript he was certain was somewhere in his office.

Similarly in this sentence, the preposition "in" introduces a prepositional phrase "in his office," which acts as an adverb describing the location of the missing papers.

This in no way complete and I am NOT an English teacher, nor did I play one on "Leave It to Beaver".

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Should "*batteries not included" be capitalized to "*Batteries Not Included"?

Common Sense?

Yes, definitely!

Both of the two questions were rhetorical with which I only wanted to indicate that if we are going to apply standard capitalization rules on every title without using common sense we will generate unsatisfying results for a large part of the community. So, if you answered the second question (and I hope you do) you'd agree with my concern.

Actually I have answered your first question. But I do agree that there are some exceptions. "K-PAX" comes to my mind.
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@Skip Are all the above word supposed to be written in lower chars?

Because I am quite sure, I've see

Once Upon a Time in the West
The Day After Tomorrow

and so forth

As I have said, there is more than one set of English capitalisation rules. From the Wikipedia article:
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Some capitalize longer prepositions such as "between", but not shorter ones.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Would that it were that simple, Rho. 

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