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Coming for christmas day 2010 a remake...wait for it.

True Grit
Rooster is Jeff Bridges
La Boeuf is Matt Damon
Ned Pepper is Barry Pepper

While Jeff doesn't have The Duke's chops, he is probably the only person in hollyweird that could carry the role today. Serious creative vacuum out there these days.

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Not happy with the remake.  However, I disagree, I would have chosen Ed Harris for this role.
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The Dude vs The Duke. It's only one letter, you know... 

I can't imagine it being a literal "remake", as it is made by the Coen brothers. You'll never know what they'll come up with.

But you're right, Skip, about the creative vacuum in Hollywood these days. It's all about the "reboots", franchises and churning out formulaic films that have to insult everybody with an IQ over 100.
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A lot of ppl say doom and gloom when ever a remake comes along. Most of this remaking has been in the horror genre and not within very much more. Looking back over the last 10 years i say it's been a healthy time for film making within Hollywood and beyond.

I would like to see though as they did in the 70's a great consensus that invitation is the way to financial gain which in my view made the 70's the best decade for film making and left a lot of the first 60 years of film making pretty dated.
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This is adaptation of the Charles Portis novel, not especially a remake of the original. All movies by the Coens (except one) are at least interesting and often very entertaining and funny. And what about John Wayne? Was he an actor or a ham? Always had the idea that he was a kind of sunday actor.
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This is adaptation of the Charles Portis novel, not especially a remake of the original. All movies by the Coens (except one) are at least interesting and often very entertaining and funny. And what about John Wayne? Was he an actor or a ham? Always had the idea that he was a kind of sunday actor.


Champion of racism towards native Americans highly militaristic for his time yes he could act but by the end of the 60's he was pretty much a joke.
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The Duke's very size, width and height, delivery, and the fact that he played the same character in so many movies made it pretty hard for him to hide in any role.

One of the worst casting job in the history of film, was the Duke as Temujin, later Genghis Khan.

I think the executives are a blame for much of the stereotyping of actors. Especially if they have had a long run on a TV series. At least I have heard a number of actors complain about that.
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The Duke's very size, width and height, delivery, and the fact that he played the same character in so many movies made it pretty hard for him to hide in any role.

One of the worst casting job in the history of film, was the Duke as Temujin, later Genghis Khan.

I think the executives are a blame for much of the stereotyping of actors. Especially if they have had a long run on a TV series. At least I have heard a number of actors complain about that.


Yeah it was like that in the olden days but look at Henry Fond someone i consider to be of the finest actors ever used to play pretty upstanding good guys then took on the role of Frank in Once Upon A Time In The West and totally owned the screen when he was on it.

John Wayne just sucked period.
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But you're right, Skip, about the creative vacuum in Hollywood these days. It's all about the "reboots", franchises and churning out formulaic films that have to insult everybody with an IQ over 100.


I think part of it is the bad economic environment.  It's far more safe to go with a known quantity, like an existing franchise or a reboot, than take a risk on something new.
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... in my view made the 70's the best decade for film making and left a lot of the first 60 years of film making pretty dated.

Most 70's films are pretty dated too, just like those of every other decade.

But I may be a little prejudiced; of the eight decades from 1931 to 2010 I have fewer films from the 70's than any other decade (22/1110).

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John Wayne just sucked period.



You just can't have a conversation/discussion without threadcrapping, can you?
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... in my view made the 70's the best decade for film making and left a lot of the first 60 years of film making pretty dated.

Most 70's films are pretty dated too, just like those of every other decade.

But I may be a little prejudiced; of the eight decades from 1931 to 2010 I have fewer films from the 70's than any other decade (22/1110).

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It's each to there own. Style, age genre are all factors in our film watching just the same as in music. The 70's for me was just revelation in terms of independent thought breaking through into mainstream Hollywood for me most of the best films ever made came out of that.

Be a pretty boring world if all liked/owned the same films.
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John Wayne just sucked period.



You just can't have a conversation/discussion without threadcrapping, can you?


I disliked Wayne's politics (John Birch Society member) as much as anyone. But his acting skills were evident to anyone.

After years of film school, I realized that there are a broad spectrum of acting styles. There are character actors, whom audiences see not as the actor, but as the character only. There are stars, who act like themselves in every role they take. Some can move back and forth, some become so well known that their performances are tainted with their personas even when lost in a character. Some say their lines and hit their marks; some are always way over the top in a "make sure the second balcony sees your performance" sort of way.

Anyone who ever watched John Wayne in "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" -- you know the scene (and if you do not, never, ever discuss Wayne's ability to act), early on in the movie, when Wayne's character, a far older than Wayne, officer is retiring from the cavalry, and in order to read an inscrption on the watch his troops are giving to him, he looks around to see if anyone is watching (everyone is) and he takes out of his tunic a tiny pair of spectacles, puts them on, and struggles to read the words. This is not Wayne: this is his character, totally believable, and as Oscar winning a performance as any actor has ever performed. To watch that, and his performances in dozens of other great films, and then to declare he sucks is trolling of the highest magnitude.

You seem to know nothing of film before the 1970s. Learn something, then your opinion might mean something beyond trolling incoherently. There was a century of filmmaking before the 1980s, not just a decade.

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John Wayne just sucked period.



You just can't have a conversation/discussion without threadcrapping, can you?


I disliked Wayne's politics (John Birch Society member) as much as anyone. But his acting skills were evident to anyone.

After years of film school, I realized that there are a broad spectrum of acting styles. There are character actors, whom audiences see not as the actor, but as the character only. There are stars, who act like themselves in every role they take. Some can move back and forth, some become so well known that their performances are tainted with their personas even when lost in a character. Some say their lines and hit their marks; some are always way over the top in a "make sure the second balcony sees your performance" sort of way.

Anyone who ever watched John Wayne in "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" -- you know the scene (and if you do not, never, ever discuss Wayne's ability to act), early on in the movie, when Wayne's character, a far older than Wayne, officer is retiring from the cavalry, and in order to read an inscrption on the watch his troops are giving to him, he looks around to see if anyone is watching (everyone is) and he takes out of his tunic a tiny pair of spectacles, puts them on, and struggles to read the words. This is not Wayne: this is his character, totally believable, and as Oscar winning a performance as any actor has ever performed. To watch that, and his performances in dozens of other great films, and then to declare he sucks is trolling of the highest magnitude.

You seem to know nothing of film before the 1970s. Learn something, then your opinion might mean something beyond trolling incoherently. There was a century of filmmaking before the 1980s, not just a decade.

Why do I respond to you?

 
He only displays a lck of knowledge relative to the totality of film, not just the last ONE, two or three decades.

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I disliked Wayne's politics (John Birch Society member) as much as anyone. But his acting skills were evident to anyone.

After years of film school, I realized that there are a broad spectrum of acting styles. There are character actors, whom audiences see not as the actor, but as the character only. There are stars, who act like themselves in every role they take. Some can move back and forth, some become so well known that their performances are tainted with their personas even when lost in a character. Some say their lines and hit their marks; some are always way over the top in a "make sure the second balcony sees your performance" sort of way.

Anyone who ever watched John Wayne in "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" -- you know the scene (and if you do not, never, ever discuss Wayne's ability to act), early on in the movie, when Wayne's character, a far older than Wayne, officer is retiring from the cavalry, and in order to read an inscrption on the watch his troops are giving to him, he looks around to see if anyone is watching (everyone is) and he takes out of his tunic a tiny pair of spectacles, puts them on, and struggles to read the words. This is not Wayne: this is his character, totally believable, and as Oscar winning a performance as any actor has ever performed. To watch that, and his performances in dozens of other great films, and then to declare he sucks is trolling of the highest magnitude.

You seem to know nothing of film before the 1970s. Learn something, then your opinion might mean something beyond trolling incoherently. There was a century of filmmaking before the 1980s, not just a decade.

Why do I respond to you?

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Anyone who ever watched John Wayne in "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" -- you know the scene (and if you do not, never, ever discuss Wayne's ability to act), early on in the movie, when Wayne's character, a far older than Wayne, officer is retiring from the cavalry, and in order to read an inscrption on the watch his troops are giving to him, he looks around to see if anyone is watching (everyone is) and he takes out of his tunic a tiny pair of spectacles, puts them on, and struggles to read the words. This is not Wayne: this is his character, totally believable, and as Oscar winning a performance as any actor has ever performed.


Agreed.  This was a tremendous scene, handled wonderfully by The Duke. 

My favorite John Wayne moment happens at the end of THE SEARCHERS, as he's standing outside, framed by a doorway that leads into a loving home, realizing his hatred and bigotry has left him an outsider, one who has no business entering this house.  He doesn't speak a word in this scene, but you can sense in his mannerisms a feeling of loneliness, followed almost immediately by an acceptance of his situation.  In THE SEARCHERS, Wayne created a complex character; chock full of honor and dedication to duty, yet at the same time filled with rage.  No "Bad Actor" could have possibly pulled off what he accomplished in this film. 

I've had this discussion with a number of people, all of whom state emphatically that John Wayne was a bad actor.  I'm guessing his political views may have had something to do with this (in the 1970's, he became a punching bag of sorts for the liberally-minded, as evidenced in shows from that time like ALL IN THE FAMILY). True, he's had his share of stinkers (THE GREEN BERETS was laughable), but when you appear in as many movies as he did (I think the number is over 150 films), that's to be expected.  When Wayne was "on", however, as he was in most of the films he made with director John Ford, he was very, very good.
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