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What to do with liars?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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Recently I stumbled over a guy lying in the contribution notes.

What Do I mean:
He copies cast and crew from another profile and then states "Cast&Crew from actual credits".

In the last case
• the credits did not contain role names for the main crew; they were corrected without any source documentation
• valid cross links were simply lost
• birth years were used without any documentation
• uncredited cast was imported without documentation (I assume from IMDB)
With other contributions the same person contributed similar crap...

When I vote no to the contribution he resubmits it - if I'm lucky he corrected the mistakes, I pointed out. In other cases he simply corrects the contribution notes.

What can be done against such manners?

I don't feel it to be my job to check and document the contribution of guys who are to lazy to do it themselves.

Can we prevent proven liars from contributing?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsamuelrichardscott
Registered: September 18, 2008
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Open a support ticket.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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"Cast&Crew from actual credits" unfortunately happens to be the standard description used to dump IMDb-mined data into the database - unfortunately, that happens quite a lot... 
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Open a support ticket.


This. If we are confident that data was mined from a third party and submitted with a falsified source in the notes, we will take action immediately.
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Quoting T!M:
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"Cast&Crew from actual credits" unfortunately happens to be the standard description used to dump IMDb-mined data into the database - unfortunately, that happens quite a lot... 

And once these get accepted they're often copied over to other profiles that were better off before.

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Quoting AiAustria:
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Recently I stumbled over a guy lying in the contribution notes.

You NOW stumbled over ONE guy lying in the contribution notes? LO. You're a funny guy.

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What Do I mean:
He copies cast and crew from another profile and then states "Cast&Crew from actual credits".

At least he cares about Cast and Crew. In Germany, they add dozens of uncredited publisher people to the cast list.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorateo357
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Open a support ticket.


This. If we are confident that data was mined from a third party and submitted with a falsified source in the notes, we will take action immediately.



And you would have to take action against 90% of your contributors.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributor69samael69
Registered: April 1, 2007
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I play it safe. I only use cast/crew from existing profiles. Sometimes there are issues and sometimes they don't match if I look at multiple. I always try to pick the one that looks most complete. At least they've been "approved" by someone. If I get movies that don't exist in the DB, which I have come across several and have two I'm working on now in a 10 movie box set. I leave cast/crew empty on the initial submission and add it in later if/when I have the time, if someone doesn't get to it before me. I figure it's better to have the empty stub with cover scans than to have nothing at all.

I had intended to mine the data from IMDB, but found it was not allowed, so I don't do it, then I don't have to lie about it. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
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I had intended to mine the data from IMDB, but found it was not allowed, so I don't do it, then I don't have to lie about it. 

I wish every other contributor was as conscientious.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Here's a tip. Mine the data from IMDb but use CastCrewCheck to verify / correct the data against the actual credits before contributing. See link in my signature.
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Here's a tip. Mine the data from IMDb but use CastCrewCheck to verify / correct the data against the actual credits before contributing. See link in my signature.

This does not work (at least in the cases I complained here), since the IMDB lists different actors and crew members than actually credited. I don't know if this intentionally, but some of the differences really look like paperactors - or whatever the correct analogy to papertowns is
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Here's a tip. Mine the data from IMDb but use CastCrewCheck to verify / correct the data against the actual credits before contributing. See link in my signature.

This does not work (at least in the cases I complained here), since the IMDB lists different actors and crew members than actually credited. I don't know if this intentionally, but some of the differences really look like paperactors - or whatever the correct analogy to papertowns is

Sure it does. It's just a bit more work. If you feel it's better to start from scratch, GsyCastCrew is another option.
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Gunnar
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