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I just want to find out if FX supervisor is a valid Visual Effects credit.

Though it's not listed specifically in the rules as a valid role, VFX supervisors and DFX Supervisors get a visual effects role because it's just short for Visual or Digital Effects. That's totally fine with me, but should we list FX Supervisors as well?

For example
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Visual Effects by Company X

Visual Effects Supervisor Person 1
Digital Effects Supervisor Person 2
VFX Producer
3D Supervisor
...
...
FX Supervisors Person 3 - Person 4
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In my opinion a FX supervisor is not a valid role, so personally I don't think we should list them. In the example I would only list the Visual Effects Supervisor and the Digital Effects Supervisor.
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What does an "FX Supervisor" do?  What type of work do they supervise?

I would say that if they supervise an effect that appears onscreen that would be a legitimate Visual Effects credit.

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No. The credit is Digital Effects Supervisor, Special Effects Supervisor or Visual Effects Supervisor. FX Supervisor doesn't tell you what kind of FX they supervise. Is it Digital? Is it Visual? Is it Special?
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FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
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I say that it's a valid credit.

Here is what a FX Supervisor does according to Rodeo FX

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Under the supervision of the Head of the CG Department, the FX supervisor is the responsible for the work delivered by the FX department. He establishes, in collaboration with the Head of Department and other Department Supervisors, the working methods of his team, taking into account the requirements of the pipeline, both technical/methodological, present and future. He supervises, guides and develops his team and acts as mentor of his specialty. His great knowledge of the team’s abilities allows him to delegate certain tasks to employees determined.


http://vfx-montreal.com/job/fx-supervisor/

Compare that to a Visual Effects Supervisor description.

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The VFX Supervisor is responsible for the production of visual effects on the project that is assigned to him. A key consultant of the project’s Director, he is responsible for the technical and artistic quality of the shots. The standard of quality is established during his exchanges with the Director and production staff. He must therefore understand and interpret the Director’s intentions and also be conscious of the project’s budget constraints set by the production team. He works in collaboration with the Post-Production Manager on tasks such as budget, planning and client relations.


http://vfx-montreal.com/job/vfx-supervisor-2/

Compare that to a Special Effects Supervisor

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To make those special effects happen, the special effects supervisor (whose job title can also be SFX supervisor or SFX coordinator) manages an entire team of special effects technicians. The SFX supervisor is the senior-level position responsible for making sure the effects are executed smoothly and safely.


https://www.masterclass.com/articles/who-is-the-special-effects-supervisor-explaining-sfx-supervisor-role-and-responsibilities#what-are-special-effects


Since so many films now days uses CG (aka Computer Graphics) to accomplish the visual effects and since a FX Supervisor is the leader of that group I think that any person credited under an Effects Company divider as a FX Supervisor should be credited.

Just my two cents.
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Well that's all well and good, but Rodeo FX has no say here. If it's not DFX, VFX or SFX, it's invalid.
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
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I can't really understand, why a community who mixes up visual effects and special effects bothers about any form of prefix at all.

Generally spoken there are three types of effects used in filming:
- accoustic
- analogue visual aka. SFX and
- digital visual aka. VFX
Since DVDP does not differentiate between analogue and digital effects at all, and therefore names all of them visual effects, there could be not doubt, that any FX which is not accoustic (the company producing it should be of some help to find that out) is a visual effect in the meaning of DVDP.
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there could be not doubt, that any FX which is not accoustic (the company producing it should be of some help to find that out) is a visual effect in the meaning of DVDP.

By the same reasoning, jobs like "Mechanical Effects Supervisor" or "Miniature Effects Supervisor" could be considered valid as well? Those are jobs that I've been tracking locally, as non-contributable custom crew entries. I never contribute them, as the crew credits table doesn't mention "mechanical" or "miniature" effects, but by your reasoning, neither are acoustic, and therefore visual. If the approach is "any and all effects credits, except acoustic ones, are welcome", then they'd have to be allowed as well, right?

I've compared this with the sound editing section in the past, and I'll do that again, just to illustrate the scope of this problem. The crew credits table in the contribution rules explicitly allows "Sound Editor" and "Dubbing Editor", but there's no mention of a "Sound Effects Editor" or a "Sound FX Editor", so we diligently leave them out. In reality, however, that distinction really isn't that clear at all. I've spoken to "Supervising Sound Editors" and "Sound Editors" who are absolutely adamant that the times they wer're credited as "Supervising Sound Effects Editors" and "Sound Effects Editors" they were doing the exact same job as when they were credited without the word "Effects" in their job description. But here at DVD Profiler, we're purely making a distinction based on the exact wording used in the crew credits table. If there's no mention in the rules of a "Sound Effects Editor" or a "Sound FX Editor", then we diligently leave them out. So why would that work differently for other credits? Note that the point of this example is not that I'm necessarily arguing that sound effects editors should be entered, but more that if we're going to be that loose on special/digital/visual effects credits, then you really can't expect people to not adopt the same loose-ness to other crew sections.

It's either "if it's not in the crew credits table, it can't be included", or it pretty much "enter any job label you feel is equivalent to any of the job labels in the crew credits table". Again, if it's the latter, then that'll affect lots more areas than just the special/digital/visual effects section. The thing is that "if it's not in the crew credits table, it can't be included" leads to the same results for everyone, it's something that can be objectively checked when a contribution comes in. But allowing functional equivalents is very much open for interpretation, and with no one around here making definite and public decisions over what is and what isn't a functional equivalent of a certain job description, it can only get us in an incontrollable and inconsistent mess...
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Quoting CubbyUps:
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Since so many films now days uses CG (aka Computer Graphics) to accomplish the visual effects and since a FX Supervisor is the leader of that group I think that any person credited under an Effects Company divider as a FX Supervisor should be credited.

So a CG (Effects) Supervisor should get a Visual Effects credit as well. I have never seen that in a profile.

My example was based on a profile I was working on. The first credit under the header was a Visual Effects Supervisor, followed by a VFX Producer, 3D Supervisor, 2D, Supervisor, VFX Line Producers, CG Sequence Supervisors, some more credits and the FX Supervisors.

The profile I'm working on has two FX Supervisors and both only have one title in the database (with 100+ profiles), but they're listed in other movies as FX supervisors as well, but none of the profiles has listed them.

And what about animation movies who have often an Effects Supervisor, but I think 95% of them are not listed in the database.
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