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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,285 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was just auditing RoboCop 3 and I see the following under Special Effects.  Which of these is considered a valid credit? Just the Supervisor, or should the others get included considering they have no specific role? | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd include the others. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,440 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd like to include them, but the rules state:
Individual Credits:
Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director,
Special Photographic Effects
Bold is included in the rules.
These are a group credit, not individual. | | | | Registered: February 10, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by greyghost |
| | Registered: February 8, 2011 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my opinion this is not any different than discussed in this topic. So if we only list the individual credits Jeff Jarvis is the only valid credit. |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting greyghost: Quote:
I'd like to include them, but the rules state:
Individual Credits:
Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director,
Special Photographic Effects
Bold is included in the rules.
These are a group credit, not individual. so when the RRM is listed under a group header, we don't include them or maybe the Sound Editors under a group header, Producers, Ex. producers, makeup artists. The Visual Effects that are not included are under a company header (I think they should be included). |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gamemaster: Quote:
In my opinion this is not any different than discussed in this topic.
So if we only list the individual credits Jeff Jarvis is the only valid credit. Checked The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - by your reasoning, we would have to remove Screenwriter, Story By, OMB, Producer, Ex. Producer just from the opening main crew credits, because they are group credits. And from the ending credits we would remove under group credits - Art Director, RRM, SSE, Sound Designer, Costume Supervisor. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,440 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Quoting greyghost:
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I'd like to include them, but the rules state:
Individual Credits:
Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director,
Special Photographic Effects
Bold is included in the rules.
These are a group credit, not individual.
so when the RRM is listed under a group header, we don't include them or maybe the Sound Editors under a group header, Producers, Ex. producers, makeup artists. The Visual Effects that are not included are under a company header (I think they should be included). The contribution rules specifically state Individual Credits for Visual Effects. Those are what was being discussed in this thread, disingenuous to bring up other credits as they do not include this restriction in the rules. This allows group credits to be used for all roles except Visual Effects.  | | | | Registered: February 10, 2002 |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Jarvis only. The others have no valid titles next to their names. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's too bad that we can't get Ken to clarify what he meant by "Individual credits". In my mind, the post that Gamemaster linked to is interesting, and I strongly disagree that it is the same situation as this one. A lot of names w/o specific roles under an effects company divider do not constitute individual credits. Everyone seemes to have agreed on that. And I wonder if that is not what Ken had in mind. This situation is different, though. Let's compare it to the classical The Time Machine:  Are you saying that neither Warren nor Chang should be credited because they don't each have the credit next to their name? If that's how we are now to interpret the rule, then that is a game changer. I really don't think that Ken meant that the layout of the credits should determine their viability. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: February 8, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Quoting Gamemaster:
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In my opinion this is not any different than discussed in this topic.
So if we only list the individual credits Jeff Jarvis is the only valid credit.
Checked The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - by your reasoning, we would have to remove Screenwriter, Story By,
OMB, Producer, Ex. Producer just from the opening main crew credits, because they are group credits. And from the ending credits we would remove under group credits - Art Director, RRM, SSE, Sound Designer, Costume Supervisor. No, we wouldn't. If there's a list with art directors they all have an art director credit and that's a valid role. According the rules it only seems to be allowed to list individual credits like Special Effects Supervisor, Special Effects Designer etc. In this case Jeff Jarvis is listed as the Special Effects Supervisor. For the persons under the Special Effects header it's not clear what they have done. For example Mike Reedy was probably a special effects technician which we don't list as he was credited that way. Quoting GSyren: Quote:
It's too bad that we can't get Ken to clarify what he meant by "Individual credits".
In my mind, the post that Gamemaster linked to is interesting, and I strongly disagree that it is the same situation as this one. A lot of names w/o specific roles under an effects company divider do not constitute individual credits. Everyone seemes to have agreed on that. And I wonder if that is not what Ken had in mind.
This situation is different, though. Let's compare it to the classical The Time Machine:
Are you saying that neither Warren nor Chang should be credited because they don't each have the credit next to their name? If that's how we are now to interpret the rule, then that is a game changer.
I really don't think that Ken meant that the layout of the credits should determine their viability. Special Photographic Effects is listed as a valid role. Both have that role and should be listed. The way I read the rules, Special Effects or Visual Effects alone is not specific enough and has to be followed up by Supervisor, Designer or director to avoid that the technicians or artists are listed as a visual effects credit as well. | | | | Last edited: by Gamemaster |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gamemaster: Quote:
The way I read the rules, Special Effects or Visual Effects alone is not specific enough and has to be followed up by Supervisor, Designer or director to avoid that the technicians or artists are listed as a visual effects credit as well. I would say that you are reading the rules wrong. Here is my interpretation: Visual Effects, Digital Effects, Special Effects, Special Visual Effects, also if used with Designer, Supervisor or Director; and Special Photographic Effects.But the discussion wasn't if Special Effects is listed as an approved credit, but whether is can only be applied to a single person at a time (if I understood the reasoning correctly). So it shouldn't matter if it is two persons (such as in my example) or nine. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
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