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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Can the Original Title apply to the season descriptor for a television boxed set? Here is the rule about the Original Title: Quote:
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The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. I pose two questions. 1) Does the Original Title rule even apply to boxed set titles (as opposed to feature titles), and if so 2) Does the Original Title rule apply to season descriptors that are not in the film credits? Let's take an example: DVD release: The X-Files: The Complete First SeasonBlu-ray release: The X-Files: The Complete Season 1Is The X-Files: The Complete First Season the Original Title of The X-Files: The Complete Season 1, given the following? "The Complete First Season" is not in any of the credits of any of the episodes. This is the U.S. release of a U.S. production. Thoughts? --------------- |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not sure which is correct, but in my opinion what you have here should be what you listed. Each having its own Original Title:
DVD release: The X-Files: The Complete First Season
Blu-ray release: The X-Files: The Complete Season 1 | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | This was already discussed in length and answered by Gerri here. - Although it never ended in a rule as promised. Maybe because the strongest argument against any season indicators in original titles is laid out a few posts later: here. I for myself use series titles without any season or disc indicators for all profiles belonging to a series. But, since I refuse to argue about this issue (and some others) any more, I don't contribute any title changes. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ideally, of course, the season indicator should've been separated from the "title" fields long ago, should've been given it's own field. As long as we don't have that, the same season of the same TV show should have the same original title in any locality, on any format - just like same film should have the same original title in any locality, on any format - purely for the sake of not needlessly cluttering up the raw CLT numbers any more than we need to. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
the same season of the same TV show should have the same original title in any locality, on any format - just like same film should have the same original title in any locality, on any format - purely for the sake of not needlessly cluttering up the raw CLT numbers any more than we need to. Fine, when the rules are modified to allow this. Right now they require the use of a feature title and not of a box set title. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
I for myself use series titles without any season or disc indicators for all profiles belonging to a series. That makes sense to me. It seems logical to me that Original Title is the onscreen title, so in Scotthm's example just "The X-Files". | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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the same season of the same TV show should have the same original title in any locality, on any format - just like same film should have the same original title in any locality, on any format - purely for the sake of not needlessly cluttering up the raw CLT numbers any more than we need to.
Fine, when the rules are modified to allow this. Right now they require the use of a feature title and not of a box set title.
--------------- People do not use this rule when the do disc level profiles of a single season - Complete Series/Season - Use the year that the Series/Season was produced and first aired in its country of origin. TV series are typically spread over a date range for a season, for example 2002-2003, for DVD Profiler purposes this will be entered as the beginning of the season; from the example the entry would be 2002. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
It seems logical to me that Original Title is the onscreen title, so in Scotthm's example just "The X-Files". Logical as it may seem, we don't do that as Gerri Cole explicitly stated "to include the season indicator in the orginal title." There a reason for that: it's needed because one of DVD Profiler's standard display options (under Tools/Options/Display) is to display the entire collection by original title. So that decision stems from that fact that it's not helpful to have nine seasons of 'The X-Files' each listed as just 'The X-Files'. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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It seems logical to me that Original Title is the onscreen title, so in Scotthm's example just "The X-Files".
Logical as it may seem, we don't do that as Gerri Cole explicitly stated "to include the season indicator in the orginal title." There a reason for that: it's needed because one of DVD Profiler's standard display options (under Tools/Options/Display) is to display the entire collection by original title. So that decision stems from that fact that it's not helpful to have nine seasons of 'The X-Files' each listed as just 'The X-Files'. adding a simple season indicator such as The X-Files: S1, The X-Files: S2 in the original title field cleans up the clt and keeps seasons separated. This is what I do, even for child profiles (No disc #s) and I use the produced year from the 1st episode of a season for all child profile production years. Do we really need "The Complete First Season" The First Season, Season One or whatever someone decides they want in the original title field. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Gerri Cole explicitly stated "to include the season indicator in the orginal title." Well, what she stated was actually " it make sense to me that you would follow the rules for the title field" She also stated that it would be included in the next rules update. But it wasn't. We can only speculate why. Perhaps she changed her mind? Perhaps Ken disagreed? Or perhaps they just didn't get around to it? Whatever the reason, the only thing we can be 100% sure of is that it didn't make it into the rules. The display options argument is a clear argument for adding the season indicator. The CLT argument is a clear argument against adding the season indicator. Which argument should win? Well, you can fix the original title locally to display whatever you like, but you cannot change the way the CLT functions. Draw your own conclusions. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
The CLT argument is a clear argument against adding the season indicator. No, on the contrary: if the same season of the same TV show has the same original title - season indicator included - in any locality, then the CLT counts exactly what it should. So, just like the display options argument, the CLT argument is also a clear argument for adding a (consistent!) season indicator. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
If the same season of the same TV show has the same original title - season indicator included - in any locality, then the CLT counts exactly what it should. ... only if you ingore the fact, that there are assigned different years of production within each season. This doubles the CLT, if you assign seasons to original title (while there is only added 1 to the complete series, if you don't). Adding Disc numbers even multiplies the problem... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Disc level child profiles remain a mess, indeed. Still: with properly assigning original titles, the raw CLT numbers can improve, and in fact have improved, a lot. But the CLT was never fully equipped to deal with disc-level child profiles for TV on DVD, and it doesn't seem likely that it ever will. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Doesn't that depend on what you think the CLT should count? When determining common names, we count one season as one title, rather than counting the entire show's run as one title. Counting an entire TV show's run as one title could/would certainly make things easier, but as of yet, I haven't seen any common name-finding threads using that approach... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | What was I thinking? Making things easy? We wouldn't want that, would we?  (Sorry, my sarcasm inhibitor seems to have failed again) I guess my scepticism of the whole common name finding threads thing is shining through. I'll withdraw from this thread. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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