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Mark bootleg versions private - read before you make judgement |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting goblinsdoitall:
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Am I the only one who thinks this thread is against forum rules?
Not if you read all the posts above you...
Quoting lyonsden5:
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IMO is this topic is against the forum guidelines and should be locked.
[...] OK! We're two then. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 |  Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
Am I the only one who thinks this thread is against forum rules?
Quote Forum rules (Highlighted by me)
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Spamming Only one person was promoting piracy. The rest of us have been educating them on how to avoid it. For the majority of the posters this topic is not against the rules. |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting goblinsdoitall:
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Am I the only one who thinks this thread is against forum rules?
Not if you read all the posts above you...
Quoting lyonsden5:
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IMO is this topic is against the forum guidelines and should be locked.
[...] but if you read the topic that bolded offense doesn't apply since no one is promoting piracy. In fact, the OP is suggesting doing this so that he can replace the titles with legit copies. And to "Avoid tainting the contributed movies collection with this fodder" to the latter, if there were blank, locked profiles for upc's that are known bootlegs wouldn't this helpful in a) warning people of these and b) not allowing them to be added to the online database? I guess by warning you could also argue that it 'advertises' the bootlegs, but there are bootleg titles in the database now so shouldn't steps be taken to eliminate these and prevent them from being added? -Agrare |
|  | W0m6at | | You're in for it now Tony |
| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 1,091 |
| | Posted: | | | | To those arguing that this thread promotes piracy, where's the promotion? Everything so far has either been against bootlegging, or it has been people (as always) trying to bignote themselves with "I have a big collection, zero boots".
Bootlegs are a fact of life, and certain tastes lend themselves to risk moreso than others. If you only watch movies from the 1950s, or you only watch the latest releases, you're probably safe. If you're into Italian exploitation films, Asian movies, short films, etc. you're vastly more exposed, with or without the so-called "grey market". If you're having to get DVDs from foreign markets, it's often hard to know what constitutes a legitimate release (and in some areas, copyright laws are very lax, making it even harder). Region 3 would have to be one of the hardest regions to buy from in my experience. | | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting W0m6at: Quote:
To those arguing that this thread promotes piracy, where's the promotion? Everything so far has either been against bootlegging, or it has been people (as always) trying to bignote themselves with "I have a big collection, zero boots".
Bootlegs are a fact of life, and certain tastes lend themselves to risk moreso than others. If you only watch movies from the 1950s, or you only watch the latest releases, you're probably safe. If you're into Italian exploitation films, Asian movies, short films, etc. you're vastly more exposed, with or without the so-called "grey market". If you're having to get DVDs from foreign markets, it's often hard to know what constitutes a legitimate release (and in some areas, copyright laws are very lax, making it even harder). Region 3 would have to be one of the hardest regions to buy from in my experience. The Thread starter lumped everyone with a large collection into the "all of us who have extensive movie collections have at least a couple of these annoying discs". Well, I pointed out the simple fact that at 1731 titles I have none of those annoying discs. If you consider that "big noting" myself then so be it. The fact of the matter is that I'm very selective as to whom I make my DVD purchases from. I’ve purchased many out-of-print and hard to find titles from Amazon.com’s trusted merchants. I read the merchant ratings and customer feedback carefully before deciding on a seller to purchase from. Perhaps I’ve been lucky so far and avoiding eBay like the plague doesn’t hurt either. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you, 8Ball. I totally disagree with W0m6at's assertion. There is absolutely no reason that any user with any size collection should be caught with boots, unless they are no exercising due care or don't care. In both cases...shame on them.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wombat is dead on about one thing, if you dabble in region 3, it's darn difficult to tell the real deal from a phony. It's no challenge and frankly not much of a statement to have 2000+ titles and zero boots if one restricts themselves to region 1.
I'm merely suggesting that there are different types of buyers with vastly different tastes. There is no "one size fits all" description of a DVD collector with a large collection. Unless some of you guys actually have a couple hundred region 3's amongst your thousands of disks, it's probably best not to judge. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | On a trip to Philly two years back I picked up six DVDs from a stand at a major mall. At the time I thought that they were legit imports from aisa. All six turned out to be boots. I have replaced four of them with legit R1 releases but two of them are not out here yet ( I keep looking for them ).
If you only buy from Best Buy, CC, FYE, CostCo, Target, etc, you will never see one. But you may pick some up in error if you shop are smaller stores.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Wombat is dead on about one thing, if you dabble in region 3, it's darn difficult to tell the real deal from a phony. It's no challenge and frankly not much of a statement to have 2000+ titles and zero boots if one restricts themselves to region 1.
I'm merely suggesting that there are different types of buyers with vastly different tastes. There is no "one size fits all" description of a DVD collector with a large collection. Unless some of you guys actually have a couple hundred region 3's amongst your thousands of disks, it's probably best not to judge. Who is judging? His initial post mentioned nothing, absolutely nothing, regarding R3, R2 or any region for that matter. He simply made a blanket statement which I had a problem with. If he had stated that dabbling in R3 titles resulted in unfortunately obtaining bootleg copies then I would understand. But, IMO, lumping all large collectors into the same boat was disingenuous at best. Now in answer to his dilemma: Why not create a second database with just your boots. That way they don't get uploaded to your online collection or into the Invelos database. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I agree with you, 8Ball. I totally disagree with W0m6at's assertion. There is absolutely no reason that any user with any size collection should be caught with boots, unless they are no exercising due care or don't care. In both cases...shame on them. Well, that's a bit harsh. I agree with 8ball that it's wise to avoid eBay. I have learned my lesson in that regard, and nowadays I don't buy DVDs there. But how much "due care" are we supposed to exercise in order to avoid buying boots like the Millcreek Hitchcock box? Pretty much any DVD with a movie that is supposedly PD could be a bootleg. Is owning a bootleg DVD bought in good faith a worse "offense" than downloading movies from the net? Pretty much everyone I know downloads. I don't. Never did, never will. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I agree with you, 8Ball. I totally disagree with W0m6at's assertion. There is absolutely no reason that any user with any size collection should be caught with boots, unless they are no exercising due care or don't care. In both cases...shame on them.
Well, that's a bit harsh. I agree with 8ball that it's wise to avoid eBay. I have learned my lesson in that regard, and nowadays I don't buy DVDs there.
But how much "due care" are we supposed to exercise in order to avoid buying boots like the Millcreek Hitchcock box? Pretty much any DVD with a movie that is supposedly PD could be a bootleg.
Is owning a bootleg DVD bought in good faith a worse "offense" than downloading movies from the net? Pretty much everyone I know downloads. I don't. Never did, never will. I have to agree with Max. Why do we buy from Ebay or anywhere else. We do it because we are getting a great deal. When you are looking at an auction or at an unknown and the deal is just too good to be true, I am willing to bet nine times out of ten it is. Every bootleg I ever bought was because I was getting a HTF or OOP film for less then 3/4 of the retail price. It should have set off alarm bells but didn't because I was new to collecting and thought I had just got a killer deal. Plain and simple if you value your collection and its integrity do not buy from unknowns. A great deal is only a great deal if the item is not counterfeit. As for downloading I am stepping off of my soap box before I start throwing things from it. |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only movies I have downloaded are from Amazon's Unbox service. TiVo gave it's users a $15 credit and I used it to watch some movies I knew I would never buy on DVD. The service is pretty good, but some of the video encodes leave a lot to be desired depending on the studio. I have only ever bought one bootleg by accident. It was an anime DVD, and it was not purchased through ebay, but an online anime store. I've since been looking to replace it with the authorized release. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gunnar:
If they aren't paying for it, YES. And I don't either.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Why do we buy from Ebay or anywhere else. We do it because we are getting a great deal. Actually, no. The only reason I did buy from eBay was because I was looking for a specific title and couldn't find it anywhere else. And at the time I was blue-eyed enough to think it was a legit OOP title. I should have realized it would have been a lot more expensive if that was actually the case. Mea culpa. You live and learn...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip,
You forgot to answer How much "due care" are we supposed to exercise in order to avoid buying boots like the Millcreek Hitchcock box? Pretty much any DVD with a movie that is supposedly PD could be a bootleg.
With close to 4000 titles, are you absolutely sure that all your PD titles (I assume you have some) are legit? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gunnar:
I am ABSOLUTELY certain that EVERY title I own is legit. As for the Mill Creek Hitchcock. Mill Creek is a very well known company that deals with PD product. PD by its definition cannot be a boot, PD is a film or TV show whose copyright has expired and is now open to any and all.. Now there are a whole bunch of reasons why something might fall into PD. but here is one of the more entertaining reasons. "Bonanza" is owned by and has been restored by Paramount (and is not on DVD yet...bummer) yet Bonanza is also in the public domain...how can that be? Because back in the "old days" and to soem ext3ent still today, once a show went into syndication, it would be edited to allow for more commercial time and IF the show was running in syndication at the same time it was still airing on network TV, then typically the theme music would be changed. It is that modified form of the shows which appear on DVD in PD. Then, of course there are shows in PD which we are not likely to ever see any other way again, as a major studio is unlikely to pick up the Copyright, so we have to takje what we can get.<sigh>
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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