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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wrong again, Rho. You need to review things. Your opinion is fine but the consensus goes against you for contribution purposes, we have been using dividers for movies when appropriate for at least 8 months now.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
I obviously missed these discussions...
I thought dividers were only used when they preceded cast with names/roles...eg.
Divider = Pirates
A Blogs as Blackbeard
B Blogs as Pegleg Jim
etc, etc.
But, if the the credits had a heading above a bunch of actors, eg.
Heading = Pirates
A Blogs, B Blogs, C Blogs etc,etc
Then we would not use a divider and just list the cast with the roles as Pirate. Again: as far as I know, THAT was the consensus. That means that for the "Football Players" this thread is about, a divider should NOT be used. I see people voting different ways on this, too: I'd really like Pantheon's explanation to be used as standard - preferably through a rules update. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Wrong again, Rho. You need to review things. Your opinion is fine but the consensus goes against you for contribution purposes, we have been using dividers for movies when appropriate for at least 8 months now.
Skip Maybe you have been abusing dividers for group roles for 8 month. I'm sure some users have done this as well. But there is no consensus here and definitely non decision. I have not be using them and voted against them. And some other users have done this as well and voiced their opinion here. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
I obviously missed these discussions...
I thought dividers were only used when they preceded cast with names/roles...eg.
Divider = Pirates
A Blogs as Blackbeard
B Blogs as Pegleg Jim
etc, etc.
But, if the the credits had a heading above a bunch of actors, eg.
Heading = Pirates
A Blogs, B Blogs, C Blogs etc,etc
Then we would not use a divider and just list the cast with the roles as Pirate. Yes, that's the way I like it and think so too. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Wrong again, Rho. You need to review things. Your opinion is fine but the consensus goes against you for contribution purposes, we have been using dividers for movies when appropriate for at least 8 months now.
Skip
Maybe you have been abusing dividers for group roles for 8 month. I'm sure some users have done this as well. But there is no consensus here and definitely non decision. I have not be using them and voted against them. And some other users have done this as well and voiced their opinion here. And sometimes the change adding the dividers are accepted and sometimes the change is rejected. So not even the screener(s) agree with themselves all the time  | | | 
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should we not use the dividers as provided in the movie credits on dvd? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Some people say yes, other say no. There is no consensus.
I am of the opinion that the dividers are only to separate different cast lists (episodes, more than one movie on the same side of the disc). Other think the dividers can be used for what you ask. But despite what one has said in this thread, there has never been any consensus about the use of the dividers. | | |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Should we not use the dividers as provided in the movie credits on dvd? If a divider actually appears in the credits, then I would not vote "no". Otherwise, I would vote "no". | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | WHat if there are two (or more) movies or episodes on a disc, and there is a divider in the cast list for one (or more) of them. Won't it look awfully strange if dividers were used in the cast list as well as to separate movies/episodes? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | That would indeed be a bit confusing, GSyren. I never saw the need to use dividers for anything but tot divide episodes on TV shows. I can imagine, however, that when the credits use a header for a certain group of actors, people want to include that into the credits of profiler:
[Cast]
[name role]
PIRATES
[Name, no role]
In this case, a divider may be warranted because it is actually part of the credits and it would be incorrect imho to transfer the groupheader to the roles of the cast members, mentioned under this groupheader.
It is unfortunate that we need to use a closing divider to mark the ending of this list though. So, for as far as the functionality of the program goes, I understand why people are against this usage but I think the objection should be based on just that: the limits of the program. | | | My DVD's
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
WHat if there are two (or more) movies or episodes on a disc, and there is a divider in the cast list for one (or more) of them. Won't it look awfully strange if dividers were used in the cast list as well as to separate movies/episodes? I agree with you and do not use "group" dividers. I just said that if they were in the actual credits I would not vote "no". I would rarely if ever add them myself. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Wrong again, Rho. You need to review things. Your opinion is fine but the consensus goes against you for contribution purposes, we have been using dividers for movies when appropriate for at least 8 months now.
Skip
Maybe you have been abusing dividers for group roles for 8 month. I'm sure some users have done this as well. But there is no consensus here and definitely non decision. I have not be using them and voted against them. And some other users have done this as well and voiced their opinion here. But just because you interpret things one way and vote NO but I interpret things another way and vote YES doesn't mean that your interpreteation is any more valid than mine. Just because you say something doesn't make it so. You admit there is no concensus and no decision -- so why do you persist in acting as if your way is the ONLY way? I'm getting tired of reading people claim that "that isn't what dividers are for" as if theirs is the only valid opinion. The methodology described by Neil makes a whole lot of sense to me, and that's the way I plan to implement it in my local database -- and contribute it on occasion until and unless Ken or Gerri tell us otherwise. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
But just because you interpret things one way and vote NO but I interpret things another way and vote YES doesn't mean that your interpreteation is any more valid than mine. Just because you say something doesn't make it so. You admit there is no concensus and no decision -- so why do you persist in acting as if your way is the ONLY way? He didn't. This is a poll that left out an important option. RHo stated his preference on the previous page and backed it up with a logical explanation, just to be told by skipnet50 he is "wrong again". If there was an argument in skipnet50's post to support that opinion, I missed it. Quote:
I'm getting tired of reading people claim that "that isn't what dividers are for" as if theirs is the only valid opinion. For an opinion to have some value, it has to be formed after reviewing the facts. The facts on how dividers can be handled by the program have been explained a number of times, here and in the threads previously cited. Moving all or part of the role into a divider is simply not supported by the program's functionality. | | | | Matthias |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | For me, there is a distinction between 'dividers' and 'group roles' in credits. Dividers separate the cast list into sections. 'Group roles' simply use a single role for group of actors.
This is an example of a 'divider':
Police
Actor Detective Smith
Actor Officer Jones
Actor Officer Johnson
This is an example of a 'group role":
Police
Actor Actor Actor
Actor Actor Actor
The first example would get a divider in Profiler, the second would not. That is just my opinion, your mileage will vary. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Your opinion makes sense to me Unicus.
Makes sense... but for me personally... I would prefer not having them in either case. I personally prefer using dividers only per title.... to divide TV Show episodes... or 2 movies on 1 side of a disc. Of course that is just my opinion. | | | | Pete |
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