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Groups of cast members and dividers
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
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Why use a divider named "Pie Customers" if the roles of the cast underneath are all saying the same thing? This is what I would call redundant.
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Why use a divider named "Pie Customers" if the roles of the cast underneath are all saying the same thing? This is what I would call redundant.


Purely personal preference Martin, hence why I wouldn't submit them to the d/b as such.
I am one of those that likes the 'appearance' and neatness of dividers 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
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It's things like these that I shy away from submitting cast. Can we finally get a rule or something? I've seen this done on other cast lists, but not others.

Anyway, I'll withdraw and put "Pie Customer" for every one 
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Movieman:

Use the dividers notice what the poll says. Just list Pie customer with every name, it's what I used to do, then I remove them for my local data, leaving the data as it is with the divider.

Some people spit and fuss over Search and so on, in nearly every instance, these people are relatively unknown or completely unknown and i can't imagine searching on them. But even IF i did search on them or look at their supposed body of work, I could then go to the movie data and find out what role they played.<shrugs> It works for me.

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I would not use dividers for any variant of group roles.
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I would not use dividers for any variant of group roles.

I agree. We are told to use dividers to separate different cast lists. In this example the "pie customers" are part of the same cast list, so I see no need for a divider.
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North and Rho:

I suggest you look at the Poll result. While it is not a Rule..yet. The results of this poll and similar polls which have been taken have all reflected the same result. I appreciate that YOU don't view them as dividers but myself and many other users clearly DO.

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North and Rho:

I suggest you look at the Poll result. While it is not a Rule..yet. The results of this poll and similar polls which have been taken have all reflected the same result. I appreciate that YOU don't view them as dividers but myself and many other users clearly DO.

Skip

Are you talking about the poll of this thread?
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I would not use dividers for any variant of group roles.

I agree. We are told to use dividers to separate different cast lists. In this example the "pie customers" are part of the same cast list, so I see no need for a divider.


I agree.  The rule is pretty clear.
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The results of this poll and similar polls which have been taken have all reflected the same result.

Once again, you're just remembering what you'd personally LIKE to be true, but the ACTUAL truth is the exact opposite. The outcome of the last poll on the subject (right here), and every one before it, was that we do NOT use dividers for this. And quite rightly so, IMHO.
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Oh now that was clear as mud, tim.

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Oh now that was clear as mud, tim.

Skip

Try re-reading it: it makes perfect sense, and explains what use of dividers actually IS appropriate. But that doesn't even matter, I was showing that your post was a blatant lie. You claimed that a number of poll results supported your personal preference, and the exact opposite is true: there has never been a majority for your usage of dividers, ever.

It may be worth to note that it is exactly THAT behaviour of yours ("forgetting" any previously reached consensus or poll result that doesn't match with your own preference) that caused me to start posting in the forums in the first place.
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Tim:

As has been pointedd out to me numerous times on similar issues, what you presented could hardly be called a consensus. Just using the yardstick that others have applied.

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Tim:

As has been pointedd out to me numerous times on similar issues, what you presented could hardly be called a consensus. Just using the yardstick that others have applied.

Skip


Correct, there is no consensus on this.
Though, the last poll showed a majority of YES votes on dividers for group headers, either in all cases or (most voted option) in some cases (as in Unicus's proposal, if I recall correctly).
27 out of 38 said YES to at least some kinds of group dividers.
Only 11 out of 38 said NO to any group divider.


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Group HEADER in credits, use Divider?   

Poll Results
YES (11)
YES in example 1, NO in example 2 (16)
NO (11)

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If I'm reading that thread correctly, Sweeney Todd is one of the cases that wouldn't get a divider anyway, as it's written:

role      name
            name
            name

not

role
name
name
name

so even if we were following that poll, we'd still not use it in this case.
But I'm still unsure that we should be using dividers as headers. They are different things and we shouldn't mix 'n' match their use without a clear indicator from the screeners.
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27 out of 38 said YES to at least some kinds of group dividers.
Only 11 out of 38 said NO to any group divider.

Of course you can look at it from the other side as well.
27 out of 38 said NO to at least some kind of group dividers.
Only 11 out of 38 said YES to all group dividers.
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